"price" of status credits - has anyone calculated it?

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Kerrodt

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Hi there,

I am about to head off to the USA in early August for a longish holiday (7 weeks) and while I am there I will do a bit of flying. A couple of flight legs are quite deliberate status runs. I'm quite amazed at how quickly you can run up status credits in the USA and book (relatively) inexpensive First Class seats that ear SC's at the First Class rate.

Has anyone ever worked out the average cost of a status credit on an AUD$ basis? I know it will vary widely based on what you actually do in terms of flight, class, carrier etc. It would be interesting to compare the SC earn "cost" on some of the good status runs that can be built in the USA vs Australia vs Asia etc.

Just a thought provoker for the arithmetically minded people of the forum.

Kerrod.
 
Has anyone ever worked out the average cost of a status credit on an AUD$ basis?

Short answer - yes, many a times ;)

It's been found that there are some good $/SC ratios for certain CX runs in Southeast Asia and there used to be a lucrative itinerary to Nadi. Not nearly as good in mainland Australia, and the ratio is particularly poor if you're on the west coast. Unless you have absolutely no way out of a cash fare, using points redemptions (business Any Seat Awards in particular) are one of the more effective ways of accruing those precious SCs and there are quite a few tricks to building up your points tally to do so.
 
With Virgin Australia, you can get almost $4/SC when specials are on.

Hi there,

I am about to head off to the USA in early August for a longish holiday (7 weeks) and while I am there I will do a bit of flying. A couple of flight legs are quite deliberate status runs. I'm quite amazed at how quickly you can run up status credits in the USA and book (relatively) inexpensive First Class seats that ear SC's at the First Class rate.

Has anyone ever worked out the average cost of a status credit on an AUD$ basis? I know it will vary widely based on what you actually do in terms of flight, class, carrier etc. It would be interesting to compare the SC earn "cost" on some of the good status runs that can be built in the USA vs Australia vs Asia etc.

Just a thought provoker for the arithmetically minded people of the forum.

Kerrod.
 
I include a $/SC against all of my flights in my spreadsheet. Normal flights for work, I get at around $7 to $10 per SC. $10 is my upper limit for what I consider acceptable value. $5 per SC can be achieved at times in Australia, with work. Jetstar flights were decent value, but that has changed with the extra payment for plus and max bundles. Flights around the US can be had for as little as $2 per SC. Never done those myself but there are reports on AFF about it.

In terms of Award flights - Anyseat Awards, in particular, the straight cash value can seem really good if you don't factor in the points cost. There has been some threads about the points cost and my recollect is 100 to 150 points per SC is ok. That is in addition to the dollar cost. So for awards you'll have $/sc and points/SC. Note I'm pretty sure only Qantas Anyseat Awards earn SC.
 
In the USA for a QFFer (or an AirNZer), discounted First Class fares are a good target.

One can garner, without a great deal of trouble, ~600 SC's for ~USD1000 with some diligent booking and travel.

But of course, you do need to get there in the first place which does downgrade the ratio somewhat.

The old days of the 420 SC for USD750 HNL-BOS vv fares are gone.
 
In the USA for a QFFer (or an AirNZer), discounted First Class fares are a good target.

One can garner, without a great deal of trouble, ~600 SC's for ~USD1000 with some diligent booking and travel.

But of course, you do need to get there in the first place which does downgrade the ratio somewhat.

The old days of the 420 SC for USD750 HNL-BOS vv fares are gone.

What serfty said.
My inaugural ( and only so far) SC run in the US netted 720 SC for $1089 US. This was built around a work trip SYD-xLAX-xJFK-DFW-BNE in J ( F for LAX-JFK-DFW) Platinum re-equal in first 3 weeks of my FF year.
 
One SC per $10 spent is about average for normal flights.
One SC per $3 or $4 is pretty good for the status run in Australia or Asia.
One SC per $2 spent is about the best you'll get in the US.
 
invariably you have to go somewhere outside of US to get decent price tho........
 
The old days of the 420 SC for USD750 HNL-BOS vv fares are gone.

Maybe not to BOS anymore, but I can find 480 SCs from HNL to SJU for $570 USD. Decent value but there are other routes offering better value again...
 
I have never done a SC run and don't intend to. I only fly when I need/want to get to a specific destination. On a few occasions in the US I have routed via DFW rather than direct to increase the SC earn, which usually is only a few $ more.

The way I calculate the cost is to look at the difference between the discount Y fare (which is what I would be paying anyway) and the F fare. For example, in January 2013 I've got a flight EGE-LAX. This was around $450 USD for discount Y for a direct flight earning 0 SCs as it was a non-earn fare bucket. So not great. For $650 I was able to get F from EGE-DFW-LAX which is 210 SCs. I see that as $200 for 210 SCs, because the first $450 I would have been paying either way for no SCs. Also need to remember the benefits of a more comfy seat and meal included as well.

Not everyone would calculate it this way, but for me it makes sense as I'm not taking the flights purely as a SC run.

For my work domestic flights with VA in calculate in a similar way. If work pays a full Flexi fare it only costs me $70 more to upgrade to J. For that I get an extra 20 SCs plus a tax deduction, so it's more like $40-ish after tax. That's $2 a SC for the extra SCs that I am paying for, as work paid for the first 20. It was $1 per SC during the double SC promotion.


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I have never done a SC run and don't intend to. I only fly when I need/want to get to a specific destination. On a few occasions in the US I have routed via DFW rather than direct to increase the SC earn, which usually is only a few $ more.

The way I calculate the cost is to look at the difference between the discount Y fare (which is what I would be paying anyway) and the F fare. For example, in January 2013 I've got a flight EGE-LAX. This was around $450 USD for discount Y for a direct flight earning 0 SCs as it was a non-earn fare bucket. So not great. For $650 I was able to get F from EGE-DFW-LAX which is 210 SCs. I see that as $200 for 210 SCs, because the first $450 I would have been paying either way for no SCs. Also need to remember the benefits of a more comfy seat and meal included as well.

Not everyone would calculate it this way, but for me it makes sense as I'm not taking the flights purely as a SC run.

For my work domestic flights with VA in calculate in a similar way. If work pays a full Flexi fare it only costs me $70 more to upgrade to J. For that I get an extra 20 SCs plus a tax deduction, so it's more like $40-ish after tax. That's $2 a SC for the extra SCs that I am paying for, as work paid for the first 20. It was $1 per SC during the double SC promotion.
For what it's worth; I also use this method of calculation.
 
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I have never done a SC run and don't intend to. I only fly when I need/want to get to a specific destination. On a few occasions in the US I have routed via DFW rather than direct to increase the SC earn, which usually is only a few $ more.

The way I calculate the cost is to look at the difference between the discount Y fare (which is what I would be paying anyway) and the F fare. For example, in January 2013 I've got a flight EGE-LAX. This was around $450 USD for discount Y for a direct flight earning 0 SCs as it was a non-earn fare bucket. So not great. For $650 I was able to get F from EGE-DFW-LAX which is 210 SCs. I see that as $200 for 210 SCs, because the first $450 I would have been paying either way for no SCs. Also need to remember the benefits of a more comfy seat and meal included as well.

Not everyone would calculate it this way, but for me it makes sense as I'm not taking the flights purely as a SC run.

For my work domestic flights with VA in calculate in a similar way. If work pays a full Flexi fare it only costs me $70 more to upgrade to J. For that I get an extra 20 SCs plus a tax deduction, so it's more like $40-ish after tax. That's $2 a SC for the extra SCs that I am paying for, as work paid for the first 20. It was $1 per SC during the double SC promotion.

The one issue I see with this method is you lose sight of the underlying cost. I've sometimes looked at the cost across fare classes to find that the cheap fare is cheaper per SC that the flexi or J fare. Certainly your method make sense to look at your incremental cost separately from the cost to your employer or someone else. and of course your comfort is a big factor. But if you fly enough it might be the case that the flexi fare, in total, is cheaper per SC than the J fare. Obviously this is not always the case, but sometimes it is.

Maybe I'm more sensitive to this as I pay for all of my own work-related flights and hence I want to know the true full cost per SC.


BTW I'm not sure that you're comments about not doing status runs are entirely relevant. I certainly record the cost per SC for every single flight I do.
 
The price of a SC can be measured based on the total SCs and the ticket price. There are several ways to gain cheap status credits (http://www.australianfrequentflyer....gram/best-status-run-options-quick-35258.html). But the value of a SC is highly subjective and personal to your circumstances. For me personally, WP is not a fleeting desire but a MUST every year. This may seem shallow or pretentious to some, but as I’ve tried to describe below, this is not driven by an egotistical urge to flash my WP card around... (although it’s nice to have a WP card in wallet!)

It all started several years ago when I contracted a seemingly common disease on (and partly from) AFF called ‘the travel bug’. My symptoms are that I always manage to find my way around the world every year in some shape or form. Coincidentally, my travels just so happen to ensure that I visit the LOTFAP and this just happens to coincide with my annual QFF membership anniversary dates for requalification. Like many others here, I take advantage of crediting AA status runs to QF while complimenting any personal and domestic work travel until I hit the magic 1200 requalification mark for my anniversary year. Excess status credits are siphoned off to AA :cool:

IMHO, the price or value of a status credit is based on the QF status you are seeking to achieve and therefore the respective status tier benefits. In the case of WP status and AA status runs, let me state the perceived subjective value to me:

- Creature comforts of AA First Class Cabin (shudders at the thought of AA ‘coach’)
- WP/OWE benefits including (some are also a benefit of flying AA First):
  • Access to MEL/SYD FCL for all International and some domestic ;) travel. I could almost post a $ value to this if I go with the intention of getting slaughtered over a 7 course meal and a 45 minute massage but that’s another story,
  • Access to OW FCLs around the world,
  • Priority check-in/luggage tagging (not that QF ground crew give a rats for my vibrant yellow First luggage sticker anyway),
  • Priority boarding,
  • WP Premium Desk,
  • Better chance of award availability (still far too limited as a WP but that’s another story),
  • WP yield management request to open up premium award inventory (unpublished bennie),
  • Greater chance of successful upgrade requests,
  • Greater chance of op-up,
  • Seat selection in front row of economy for short haul domestic (although P1s have significantly diminished this bennie),
  • Better treatment by FAs in-flight (eg. Meals/drinks/earphones from higher cabin etc)
  • Very generous luggage allowance for that one rare occasion I really do need to check several/heavy pieces which may or may not include a conspicuous boogie bag
  • QF and OW carriers generally look after you a lot better when things take a turn for the worse.

To measure the tangible/quantifiable value of a SC, most of it comes down to QFF points which I value at 1.5c per point (I can explain my science behind this but that’s another lengthy post... and Medhead, I also have a complex spreadsheet that calculates all sorts of price/value indicators for various fare types from XONEX/QFZ10 Award/FASA etc. Sad eh).

So the key quantifiable metrics that I can see are:

- WP status bonus (100% extra base miles on QF/AA/BA flights and codeshares),
- 8K points loyalty bonus every 500 status credits
- QP Lounge for up to 3 years from WP qualification due to SG soft landing QP entitlement.

So if I am requalifying for WP (1200 status credits) purely via AA Status runs, my costs and assumptions are:
- Positioning flights to/from USA are not a $ cost to me since I am travelling around the world annually anyway. I would have spent the $ getting to the USA regardless of undertaking a status run or not because I want to go there in the first place,
- I can hit 1200 status credits for about $1,500 USD (and sometimes even less) using the AA multi-city tool or some sweet one-way awards in combination with ITA Matrix software lending a hand,
- I will travel at least 4 domestic QF sectors with work or personally in any given year (despite the probability of XONEX or ASA positioning fares meeting that requirement anyway),
- There is a cost to a 12 segment multi-city run; the overnight airport hotels that add no value to me. So a 4 or 5* Priceline airport hotel is roughly $50/night depending on the city. Let’s assume two of these per itinerary, so $100.
- The cost of accommodation/seeing a destination along my status run is not a cost to me, because it’s something I want to do and would have paid for anyway,
- The average or mean total base miles of a multi-city or several one-way status runs to achieve 1200 status credits is 20,000.
- Ultimately, you could argue that since I want to see most of the places along a multi-city status run its not actually a cost to me since I would have paid to see it anyway, but that’s a another story yet again.

The total cost of the status run is $1,600 USD and therefore the price is ~$1.33 per status credit to me ($1,600/1,200).

Using these assumptions, I can then calculate the quantifiable benefits as follows (remembering I value 1 QFF point at 1.5c):

- 20,000 base miles = $300,
- 20,000 status bonus miles = $300 (assumes I am already WP before I start the status run),
- 10,000 cabin bonus miles = $150,
- 20,000 loyalty bonus miles = $300 ((1200 / 500 = 2.4) * 8000) = 19,200
- Up to 3 years worth of QP membership which I would have paid for otherwise via a corporate scheme = $750 (3 x $250 per year).

The total value of all the tangible and quantifiable benefits is therefore $1,800.

Conclusion: The quantifiable benefits of achieving status credits (WP) that I can measure outweigh the underlying cost ($1,600 cost, $1,800 value). Then there’s the subjective and intangible benefits listed above which one could easily value at over $1K or $10K+++ per annum depending on your circumstances. So for me, you can see how WP status is an economically viable and beneficial MUST every year.
 
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The one issue I see with this method is you lose sight of the underlying cost. I've sometimes looked at the cost across fare classes to find that the cheap fare is cheaper per SC that the flexi or J fare. Certainly your method make sense to look at your incremental cost separately from the cost to your employer or someone else. and of course your comfort is a big factor. But if you fly enough it might be the case that the flexi fare, in total, is cheaper per SC than the J fare. Obviously this is not always the case, but sometimes it is.

Maybe I'm more sensitive to this as I pay for all of my own work-related flights and hence I want to know the true full cost per SC.

For the work stuff, I don't care what the underlying cost is, as I'm not paying for it. The first 20 SCs on each flight are free as far as I'm concerned, so don't come into the equation. If the additional cost to upgrade to J is $200, I wouldn't do it, as the net cost after tax would be over $100, and not worth it for 20 extra SCs and a more comfortable seat for an hour. If I was paying for the flights myself I would look at it differently, but in that case I would probably just be trying to find the cheapest fare possible and the SC earn may still not even come into it as they would likely be the cheapest saver fares. My way of calculating it makes sense given the situation I'm in though.


BTW I'm not sure that you're comments about not doing status runs are entirely relevant. I certainly record the cost per SC for every single flight I do.

I don't really agree - I have never done, and never plan to do a status run. The reason I fly is to get to a destination, not for the flight itself. That is the reason as to why I calculate it the way I do, therefore, those comments are relevant for what I was saying. They maybe not relevant for the way you calculate SC costs, but they are for me.

The only thing I consider when looking at Y fares, is I would take a flight where I do earn SCs, over a flight where I don't (eg. I would fly AA/DL/VX over US/UA etc, given all else is equal, or even where the SC fare is slightly more). In some cases though, I may still choose a direct flight over SCs, if I don't want to spend extra time on planes and in airports.

(Note that if I ever was to do a status run, purely to earn SCs and not to get somewhere, then I would certainly be calculating it against the whole fare in that case, and not just the difference between Disc Y and F. I'm also not saying anyone else is wrong in the way they calculate SCs, but for me, the SCs on the base fare are simply what comes with it, and are not the reason for purchasing it - I don't count the $/inches of seat pitch ratio on a Y fare, or the $/points earned, so I don't calculate the $/SC either).
 
I don't really agree - I have never done, and never plan to do a status run. The reason I fly is to get to a destination, not for the flight itself. That is the reason as to why I calculate it the way I do, therefore, those comments are relevant for what I was saying. They maybe not relevant for the way you calculate SC costs, but they are for me.

The only thing I consider when looking at Y fares, is I would take a flight where I do earn SCs, over a flight where I don't (eg. I would fly AA/DL/VX over US/UA etc, given all else is equal, or even where the SC fare is slightly more). In some cases though, I may still choose a direct flight over SCs, if I don't want to spend extra time on planes and in airports.

(Note that if I ever was to do a status run, purely to earn SCs and not to get somewhere, then I would certainly be calculating it against the whole fare in that case, and not just the difference between Disc Y and F. I'm also not saying anyone else is wrong in the way they calculate SCs, but for me, the SCs on the base fare are simply what comes with it, and are not the reason for purchasing it - I don't count the $/inches of seat pitch ratio on a Y fare, or the $/points earned, so I don't calculate the $/SC either).

I didn't express myself well. My point was that calculating the total cost, instead of the incremental cost does not only apply for status runs. As I said I pay for all of my flying and calculate accordingly, that does not mean all of my flying is status runs. Hence your comment about status runs is not entirely relevant to the method people use to calculate the SC cost. Also agree that your method makes sense for your situation.
 
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Goldmember - you mention in your post above "I can hit 1200 status credits for about $1,500 USD (and sometimes even less) using the AA multi-city tool or some sweet one-way awards in combination with ITA Matrix software lending a hand.". This seems an extraordinary earn rate, and one that I wasn't able to come anywhere near close to. Can you give me an example of the legs that you have taken to achieve this? Thanks.
 
Kerrodt, there are several links contained within the link I included in my original post for LOTFAP status runs. Browse through them and you might also search the QF forum for 'AA status runs'... there are plenty of threads with cheap status runs, albeit some in cryptic tongue :eek:
 
$2.80/SC when running CX J TPE-HKG-MNL-HKG-TPE (plus first positioning flight to TPE cost)
 
Whilst we're all helpful and friendly here, when it comes to status runs, posting information has to be selected carefully.

Most people who do the runs will carefully factor in the best value SC/$ ratio, but posting these runs on public forums like this results in those fares drying up cery quickly.

It used to be possible to do SFO-LAX-LAS return for around $2/SC (great for if you were short on time and needed a few SC's from the west coast) but that no longer exists.

Airlines do keep an eye out for people exploiting these things, so it's probably not a good idea to post exact runs up here.
 
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