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Everything you need to know about Krisflyer Waitlists & Waitlists Clearing
One of the best ways to use those hard earned Krisflyer miles is by taking advantage of the Krisflyer Saver Awards which provide the best use of Krisflyer miles. If booked via the website, then a discount of 15% is allowed.
This post will provide the answers to “when will my waitlist clear” as well as strategies optimising your Waitlist clear.
What are the chance of my Waitlist clearing?
New member Simon83 asked the classic question “How does the wait list work?” IN this thread we find the answers.
Dajop advises : I have never waitlisted months out, usually just weeks. Sometimes they come through and sometimes they don't, and I also have status with Krisflyer/Singapore Airlines, which I suspect helps clear them, so my answers may not be valid unless you also have status! When they have cleared it's usually within 2 weeks of making the booking, anything that it still waitlisted after that tends to either expire (expiry date on waitlist) or not come through at all.
Alanslegal suggests: I have wait listed various flights over the years, some have been approved 48 hours, others came a few weeks after, and others just never came at all so in my interpretation, there is now exact science or reason why they do or do not come through. Most of my wait listing are usually for flights 3-6 months away so if none of them clear by 6-8 week mark I would start looking at other ways of getting there.
PS. I managed to wait list on SQ 747 and SQ 748 in F savers (before they removed them and only allowed to wait list F full awards). Sadly the wait list didn't come through and miss out on those commemorative 747 SIN-HKG-SIN flights. Yes I was being very very optimistic
Does Status help?
According to Vantage03 the answer is Yes!.
My understanding from hearing other PPS member experiences is that they regularly clear for PPS members.
As an ex-silver / blue KF member (as I almost always fly SQ on points), Fist Class / Suites savers *sometimes* open.
If you are departing Australia, it's the Australian SQ office which has to open the seats for you - not the call centre. This is probably different for PPS members though.
It also appears to have nothing to do with loadings, as I recently had 2x Suites seats open for me SYD-SIN on a flight that had 75% First class full (the most I've ever seen on an SQ A380 First).
Then, the next leg I wanted (SIN-FRA A380) the cabin literally had 1 seat booked according to Expert Flyer (confirmed by check-in girl in SYD) and even at T-12 hours they wouldn't open it up for me.
How do I get my Waitlist to clear?
How have people been successful with Waitlists?
Waitlist Strategies
Infinity shared his strategy:
F Suites or F Class Wait list clearing
I know its a bit of a lottery when and where a WL will clear in my favour, but here's what I have done ( Suites/F Class only)
1/ ensure I have enough points to stack as many waitlists as I need in KF account
2/ go for all combinations of me, my partner, me and my partner etc
3/ I always put me as 1st wait list so if it clears just for me I can call KF and plead to release for partner
4/ get a firm seat on something I can cancel for nominal penalty so at least I know I am going; Just a question of "in how much style"
5/ look at F/Suites to nearby hubs and so as get a short haul to my final destination if I have to
6/ book lots of one way sectors so if one clears I try to call KF to get others released to get me where I want to go
My experience is that WL generally won't clear until sometime in week before travel, then cross one’s fingers
Waitlist Multiple flights to the same and alternate destinations
New member fireflyer asked about this strategy in this thread. It is a big yes. This thread also provides some guidance on how to confirm the sectors when they do come through.
The Krisflyer Program
To make the most of the Krislfyer program and give yourself the best chance of getting your waitlist bookings to clear, be sure to familiarise yourself the Krisflyer Program Terms & Conditions.
How many miles need for a Redemption flight.
There are at least two way to determine the number of miles that are needed for a redemption:
a) Login using your Krisflyer number and Pin and do a trial redemption booking, the required number of miles is shown.
b) Use the Award PDF tables which can be found here or can be referenced from this page : https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/ppsclub-krisflyer/RedeemMiles_SQMI/
What's the difference between Saver, Standard & Full?
The only difference is number of miles that you will need to redeem the seat. It's the same seat, same SQ service, same departure and arrival airports! The Saver awards will generally be taken first, then Standard and finally for those that really must redeem miles for a particular flight, the Full award seats are usually available up until the last few days. For the best value redemptions plan early to obtain the Saver award seats.
Everything you need to know about Krisflyer Waitlists & Waitlists Clearing
One of the best ways to use those hard earned Krisflyer miles is by taking advantage of the Krisflyer Saver Awards which provide the best use of Krisflyer miles. If booked via the website, then a discount of 15% is allowed.
This post will provide the answers to “when will my waitlist clear” as well as strategies optimising your Waitlist clear.
What are the chance of my Waitlist clearing?
New member Simon83 asked the classic question “How does the wait list work?” IN this thread we find the answers.
Dajop advises : I have never waitlisted months out, usually just weeks. Sometimes they come through and sometimes they don't, and I also have status with Krisflyer/Singapore Airlines, which I suspect helps clear them, so my answers may not be valid unless you also have status! When they have cleared it's usually within 2 weeks of making the booking, anything that it still waitlisted after that tends to either expire (expiry date on waitlist) or not come through at all.
Alanslegal suggests: I have wait listed various flights over the years, some have been approved 48 hours, others came a few weeks after, and others just never came at all so in my interpretation, there is now exact science or reason why they do or do not come through. Most of my wait listing are usually for flights 3-6 months away so if none of them clear by 6-8 week mark I would start looking at other ways of getting there.
PS. I managed to wait list on SQ 747 and SQ 748 in F savers (before they removed them and only allowed to wait list F full awards). Sadly the wait list didn't come through and miss out on those commemorative 747 SIN-HKG-SIN flights. Yes I was being very very optimistic
Does Status help?
According to Vantage03 the answer is Yes!.
My understanding from hearing other PPS member experiences is that they regularly clear for PPS members.
As an ex-silver / blue KF member (as I almost always fly SQ on points), Fist Class / Suites savers *sometimes* open.
If you are departing Australia, it's the Australian SQ office which has to open the seats for you - not the call centre. This is probably different for PPS members though.
It also appears to have nothing to do with loadings, as I recently had 2x Suites seats open for me SYD-SIN on a flight that had 75% First class full (the most I've ever seen on an SQ A380 First).
Then, the next leg I wanted (SIN-FRA A380) the cabin literally had 1 seat booked according to Expert Flyer (confirmed by check-in girl in SYD) and even at T-12 hours they wouldn't open it up for me.
How do I get my Waitlist to clear?
How have people been successful with Waitlists?
Waitlist Strategies
Infinity shared his strategy:
F Suites or F Class Wait list clearing
I know its a bit of a lottery when and where a WL will clear in my favour, but here's what I have done ( Suites/F Class only)
1/ ensure I have enough points to stack as many waitlists as I need in KF account
2/ go for all combinations of me, my partner, me and my partner etc
3/ I always put me as 1st wait list so if it clears just for me I can call KF and plead to release for partner
4/ get a firm seat on something I can cancel for nominal penalty so at least I know I am going; Just a question of "in how much style"
5/ look at F/Suites to nearby hubs and so as get a short haul to my final destination if I have to
6/ book lots of one way sectors so if one clears I try to call KF to get others released to get me where I want to go
My experience is that WL generally won't clear until sometime in week before travel, then cross one’s fingers
Waitlist Multiple flights to the same and alternate destinations
New member fireflyer asked about this strategy in this thread. It is a big yes. This thread also provides some guidance on how to confirm the sectors when they do come through.
The Krisflyer Program
To make the most of the Krislfyer program and give yourself the best chance of getting your waitlist bookings to clear, be sure to familiarise yourself the Krisflyer Program Terms & Conditions.
How many miles need for a Redemption flight.
There are at least two way to determine the number of miles that are needed for a redemption:
a) Login using your Krisflyer number and Pin and do a trial redemption booking, the required number of miles is shown.
b) Use the Award PDF tables which can be found here or can be referenced from this page : https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/ppsclub-krisflyer/RedeemMiles_SQMI/
What's the difference between Saver, Standard & Full?
The only difference is number of miles that you will need to redeem the seat. It's the same seat, same SQ service, same departure and arrival airports! The Saver awards will generally be taken first, then Standard and finally for those that really must redeem miles for a particular flight, the Full award seats are usually available up until the last few days. For the best value redemptions plan early to obtain the Saver award seats.
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? I imagine that its when you go to make a redemption flight, but there are an seats available so the airline puts you on a waitlist and advises you when a redemption seat becomes available ... but I also imagine there are various nuances and conditions to waitlists.
. Presumably if there is a seat available, it gets confirmed there and then? Or is the demand such that a redemption booking will (nearly) always go onto a waitlist (except, perhaps for SQ status pax)?
