Can Dash 8's use CBR runway 30?

[Mattg]

I was quite surprised this afternoon to see a Dash 8 fly overhead in Queanbeyan East at around 3:30. Presumably it was landing on runway 30 in CBR. I didn't know this was possible; I thought they only used the main runway. Why would they use the much shorter runway 30? Do they take off from this runway too?

Perhaps someone who knows a bit more about CBR and ATC might know

 

[harvyk]

I'm pretty sure I saw one do so the other day... That said I've never taken off or landed from \ into CBR on anything other than 35\17, and that includes in a Cessna, so I think 30 is seldom used for anything other than the smallest of aviation...

 

[harvyk]

Just looking at wikipedia, a Q400 at MTOW only takes 4,600 ft (1,402 m) where as RWY 30 is 5,509ft (1,679 m), so unless I'm missing something it looks like it is available for the dashes...
(Edit: Of course IMHO these figures are ripe for the ask the pilot thread)

 

[markis10]

Any non jet can use the RWY, its reasonably long at 1.7Km almost and just 45m shorter than HTI which has had 767s use it.

 

[harvyk]

Is there a reason jet's can't use it?

 

[markis10]

Is there a reason jet's can't use it?

Yes, the PAPI is not approved for Jet approaches.

 

[elbarto]

I've landed on it a few times, but it's been a long time.

 

[Mattg]

Neither have I (landed on anything other than 17/35). Was thinking about using Ask the Pilot but I don't think Dash 8s are exactly jb747's specialty.

...sorry if this is a stupid question but what is PAPI?

 

[markis10]

Neither have I (landed on anything other than 17/35). Was thinking about using Ask the Pilot but I don't think Dash 8s are exactly jb747's specialty.

...sorry if this is a stupid question but what is PAPI?

PAPI is precision approach path indicator, basically a set of lights that show the pilot whether they are on the correct glidepath to the touchdown zone, earlier versions were called a T VASIS, which was an Australian invention.

http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/PAPI.htm

 

[meloz]

I recall landing CBR RWY 30 about 5-7 years ago in a Dash 8. It may have been at the time they did the extension to 17/35.

Meloz

 

[clifford]

I've landed on it many times while piloting my Cessna 152.

 

[Mattg]

PAPI is precision approach path indicator, basically a set of lights that show the pilot whether they are on the correct glidepath to the touchdown zone, earlier versions were called a T VASIS, which was an Australian invention.

Precision Approach Path Indicator (PAPI)

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Ahh okay, thanks for that. So basically, a Dash 8 can land without it but a jet can't? What about taking off?

(Also, is that Auckland in that picture?)

 

[markis10]

Ahh okay, thanks for that. So basically, a Dash 8 can land without it but a jet can't? What about taking off?

(Also, is that Auckland in that picture?)

Rwy 30 has a PAPI which is not suitable for Jets. Not sure about taking off but I doubt there are limitations other than pavement rating.

 

[Mattg]

Rwy 30 has a PAPI which is not suitable for Jets. Not sure about taking off but I doubt there are limitations other than pavement rating.

I always thought there must be some restriction with taking off on 30 (and landing on 12 for that matter) because it would take planes directly over the parliamentary triangle.

 

[harvyk]

I always thought there must be some restriction with taking off on 30 (and landing on 12 for that matter) because it would take planes directly over the parliamentary triangle.

It would send planes towards Dickson, it doesn't actually aim planes anywhere near the parliamentary triangle, assuming they follow the runway heading of course.

 

[straitman]

It would send planes towards Dickson, it doesn't actually aim planes anywhere near the parliamentary triangle, assuming they follow the runway heading of course.

RW 30 actually takes you just north of the War Memorial and south of Mt Ainsley.

 

[markis10]

RW 30 actually takes you just north of the War Memorial and south of Mt Ainsley.

Which is still over the top of quite a few politicians egos!

 

[GladstoneTim]

Which is still over the top of quite a few politicians egos!

I didn't realize domestic aircraft could fly so high!

 

[serfty]

Many years ago I was standing at the Ainslie lookout and watched a RAAF Caribou (or maybe a Hercules) take of from Fairbairn - the crew must have been on some sort of "mission" since after they took off, they continued to climb steeply, banking once to aim then flew directly over the top of the "mount".

 

[markis10]

Many years ago I was standing at the Ainslie lookout and watched a RAAF Caribou (or maybe a Hercules) take of from Fairbairn - the crew must have been on some sort of "mission" since after they took off, they continued to climb steeply, banking once to aim then flew directly over the top.

steepest climb I have ever seen was an F18 out of Fairburn going to 20000 feet without leaving the confines of the airport.