Change to AA number on QF booking and related questions

[medhead]

I currently have a flights booked with QF flying ADL-xSYD-SIN-xSYD-ADL. Outbound is booked in O class and the return flights are booked in V. I'm considering crediting the return flights to AAdvantage. Obviously, I don't want to credit the O class flights to AA. What is the best time to change the frequent flyer number on the booking? Now or should I wait until I get to SIN?

I was also wondering about the earning rates. The reason I've got V fares on the return is to request an upgrade, which I've done. The domestic sector upgrade is confirmed. The AA earning tables says that V earns .5 for miles and 1 for EQM. I've read here that AA sometimes credits the class flown. I was wondering how that might work. Manage my booking on QF is now showing the upgraded domestic sector as U class, which doesn't appear in the AA earning table for QF. I assume that the international sector will also be U if I win the upgrade lottery. Is there a risk that a U fare class is going to earn nothing? I guess I'd be sort of happy with V earning and business earning would be great, but I'd hate to get nothing.

 

[serfty]

When crediting to AAdvantage, for Qantas Flight numbers:

• O class earns ½ RDM per mile and ¼ EQP per mile.
• V Class earns ½ RDM per mile and ½ EQP per mile.

AAdvantage Partners - Qantas Airways

EQP are calculated per redeemable mile earned, so if RDM earnings for O class are at 50% then EQP earns are at 25% of each mile flown.

Note that as a WP, you earn 200% QFF points per mile.

 

[medhead]

When crediting to AAdvantage, for Qantas Flight numbers:

• O class earns ½ RDM per mile and ¼ EQP per mile.
• V Class earns ½ RDM per mile and ½ EQP per mile.

AAdvantage Partners - Qantas Airways

EQP are calculated per redeemable mile earned, so if RDM earnings for O class are at 50% then EQP earns are at 25% of each mile flown.

Note that as a WP, you earn 200% QFF points per mile.

Ah :idea: I'm really glad I asked the question now (I debated for about 4 days whether to post the thread or not) as I totally misread that table (skim read it actually). Now that you point out how it works I can see how wrong I was. As my main purpose is to earn RDM, anyway, it looks like I don't need to bother with the hassle.

Thanks, heaps. :!:

 

[yeldarb8]

Ah :idea: I'm really glad I asked the question now (I debated for about 4 days whether to post the thread or not) as I totally misread that table (skim read it actually). Now that you point out how it works I can see how wrong I was. As my main purpose is to earn RDM, anyway, it looks like I don't need to bother with the hassle.

Thanks, heaps. :!:

I assume you are QF ticket stock/QF flight number AND QF metal... FWIW... I have previously flown AA ticket stock/AA flight number BUT QF metal and received credit for the actual cabin class flown. The partner "conversion table" based upon fare class didn't apply... Last time was 2007 I think.

 

[serfty]

I assume you are QF ticket stock/QF flight number AND QF metal... FWIW... I have previously flown AA ticket stock/AA flight number BUT QF metal and received credit for the actual cabin class flown. The partner "conversion table" based upon fare class didn't apply... Last time was 2007 I think.

There's often misposting for flights with various combinations of AA/QF flight numbers/metal/frequent flyer program.

I think this is due to it being a manual process rather than automatic. E.g. AA A class can be discounted revenue First Class, Award first class or Upgrade First Class on AA.

It's often a lottery to see how things post after such trips. I have seen C class upgraded with eVIP/SWU from L class post as "Full Economy" and "Business" on the same trip.

 

[medhead]

I assume you are QF ticket stock/QF flight number AND QF metal...

Pretty safe assumption, no AA metal on the route. But I should ahve been more explicit

I currently have a flights booked with QF flying ADL-xSYD-SIN-xSYD-ADL.

FWIW... I have previously flown AA ticket stock/AA flight number BUT QF metal and received credit for the actual cabin class flown. The partner "conversion table" based upon fare class didn't apply... Last time was 2007 I think.

It seems logical that you would earn as per AA and not a partner in that situation. Doesn't it?

As you say, being all with QF, I'd guess the partner table will kick in and U class (award business) will earn zero as U isn't listed in the partner table.

 

[yeldarb8]

There's often misposting for flights with various combinations of AA/QF flight numbers/metal/frequent flyer program.

I think this is due to it being a manual process rather than automatic. E.g. AA A class can be discounted revenue First Class, Award first class or Upgrade First Class on AA.

It's often a lottery to see how things post after such trips. I have seen C class upgraded with eVIP/SWU from L class post as "Full Economy" and "Business" on the same trip.

Perhaps. I have no idea if it's manual or automatic. No QF metal in my immediate future so not an issue for me. Can't say it's been an issue on CX or JL either but have never flown whY on CX or JL so probably not an issue for that reason.

 

[serfty]

Had a devil of a time getting some CX business class flight taken in February to post to QFF. Took the sending of scans of BP's, e-ticket receipts etc., along with a phone call and a patient 5 weeks.


Back to the OP:

... Manage my booking on QF is now showing the upgraded domestic sector as U class, which doesn't appear in the AA earning table for QF. I assume that the international sector will also be U if I win the upgrade lottery. Is there a risk that a U fare class is going to earn nothing? I guess I'd be sort of happy with V earning and business earning would be great, but I'd hate to get nothing.

Your fears are well founded; it should post as V class but don't expect it to; AA's systems are quite basic and may only 'see' the U.

I assume you are QF ticket stock/QF flight number AND QF metal... FWIW... I have previously flown AA ticket stock/AA flight number BUT QF metal and received credit for the actual cabin class flown. The partner "conversion table" based upon fare class didn't apply... Last time was 2007 I think.

Expect to have to follow this up, keep a copy of your original e-ticket documentation. It's a real shame Qantas do not show the booking class on the original e-ticket .pdf documents ("Qantas Departure Information").

One way to get this information is to bring your booking up on Qantas.com/yourbooking before upgrading. This shows the original segment booking classes. "Print" that page to a .pdf or .mdi file. Save this for reference.

Another method which sometimes is of use is to use the LAN - Print your Ticket facility. Plug your Qantas booking reference and surname and if it works, it brings up the original fare code against each segment. The first letter of this fare code generally indicates the booking class with Qantas domestic flights. Print this to a file.

 

[wyvern]

I wish Qantas would show the booking fare class on the e-ticket documents. I have been caught out claiming Qantas flights on BA that did not earn on BA but did on Qantas before now.

If I need to change the FF number I normally do this on check-in or in the lounge or at the airport before flying.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Somewhat related question.
I have just got off the telephone with the Premium Desk regarding SC's posted from SFO-MIA-MCO-MIA-LAX. All AA flight numbers all booked as first as shown on QF Manage My Booking. Only one flight ( MIA-MCO)which was on a separate e-ticket number posted as F, both trans-con posted as J class, and the remaining MCO-MIA as discount economy :shock: !!!
I have all the boarding passes which state A class. They have asked me to scan and send them and they will look into it.
Does this normally happen with AA? Am I wasting my time, or has my TA been doing some creative accounting ?

 

[serfty]

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I have all the boarding passes which state A class. They have asked me to scan and send them and they will look into it.
Does this normally happen with AA? Am I wasting my time, or has my TA been doing some creative accounting ?

This is quite normal. :-|

(So much so that when my 6 January AUA premium flight segments posted 100% correctly I was very surprised, almost :shock.

As indicated earlier, always keep your AA BP's available until the flights post.

 

[straitman]

Somewhat related question.
I have just got off the telephone with the Premium Desk regarding SC's posted from SFO-MIA-MCO-MIA-LAX. All AA flight numbers all booked as first as shown on QF Manage My Booking. Only one flight ( MIA-MCO)which was on a separate e-ticket number posted as F, both trans-con posted as J class, and the remaining MCO-MIA as discount economy :shock: !!!
I have all the boarding passes which state A class. They have asked me to scan and send them and they will look into it.
Does this normally happen with AA? Am I wasting my time, or has my TA been doing some creative accounting ?

If you travelled in the front end of a two class bus then all should be OK.
Scan the boarding passes and send them in. It should sort itself out.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Thank you for the replies, I have sent it in to them with a covering letter. The agent on the phone wondered why it mattered whether or not the MCO-MIA flight was posted incorrectly as I had been given the AA 500 point minimum already and this wouldn't change.
She seemed a bit taken aback when I said it was due to the 6 fold difference in SC

 

[serfty]

Hopefully you emailed image files to frequent_flyer(at)qantas.com.au

I would never relinquish the actual BP's until credited correctly.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Hopefully you emailed image files to frequent_flyer(at)qantas.com.au

I would never relinquish the actual BP's until credited correctly.

My scanner is a little temperamental at the moment, I photocopied and faxed them and have the originals safely tucked away until it gets sorted

 

[Princess Fiona]

Points and SC have been updated to reflect AA F bookings
Thankyou to the forum for your help and also for the earlier advice about changing my flight nos. from QF to AA, neat trick

 

[connieguy]

EQP are calculated per redeemable mile earned

Hi Serfty,

The link you posted says: "Elite Qualifying Points per Mile Earned". I'm still new at the AAdvantage EQP earning game but from what I have read and seen in worked examples, EQPs are calculated from end to end, great circle route, miles and not from redeemable miles earned (RDMS?). Have I got this wrong?

Greg

 

[serfty]

AFIK, AA base on ticketed flight segments.

Most if not all travel on AA flights numbers credits at least 1 "Redeemable Mile" per mile flown. Elite qualifying miles (EQM)are directly based on this.

Elite Qualifying Points depend on class flown; high cost economy and all premium cabins earn at 1.5 per EQM earned; discount economy earns EQP at 0.5 per EQM.

 

[NM]

And remember that AA Platinum and Exec Platinum members also get the 500 miles minimum. And then the status bonus (100% for both Plat and Exec Plat) is based on the 500 minimum making it 1000 minimum miles earned. EQP is based on the 500 minimum miles earned, so Plat and Exec Plat also earn a minimum of 500 EQP even on short flights on heavily discounted (yet still earning) fares such as V class.