DJ Prem Y now on sale

[Standby]

I thought worthy of a new post as to not get lost in the other Prem Y "update" thread...Mods pls feel free to lock or combine

Prem Y appears to be on sale for travel 15Mar about $50 higher than Corp Plus on SYDMEL. Doesnt appear great value vs corp plus..or is that corp plus isnt good value..let the debate begin

also am I being pedantic that the DJ web site now has a picture of Prem Y with 2 punters sitting in the seats and along side are sale fares....to me as joe public that price = the product I'm getting on the left of the prices...I would suggest they change the position of the picture or the sale pricing as its more than a bit deceptive

 

[opusman]

SYD - MEL $389 OW, and you can routinely get QF J for $453 on that route. Seems a little overpriced to me...

 

[Travel Guru]

having seen the seats I think its way overpriced myself.

QF J still has so much more than DJs Premium Y lacks, the only people I can see it being a success with is those who don't care what it costs the company.

TG

 

[ANstar]

$719 for SYD-CNS also seems quite steep. Not sure it is going to be that successful at those prices

 

[Petch]

I think P.E.'s a great thing on 737s, but on the Ejets, there doesn't seem to be much (physical) difference between standard economy & PE (other than a red leather seat)... so problem is, how do you know which aircraft will operate the flight you are on?

Virgin Blue > Premium Economy

 

[Standby]

Further on the value for money stakes
I noticed on the web site announcing todays launch
"A minor percentage of seats are at 33 inches"What consitutes a minor percentage.
Further info points out that EMB170 all have 33" pitch 34" on the EMB190
on 737s "Seat pitch: 34 inches in most flights"
(to be fair it says 737-700's-they didnt include info on the 737-800- dont know why)however you cant have 1 seat only at <34" it has to be either half a row=2 seats or the whole row 4 seats out of 12.
Also can't see where the value (read price premium)of PY on the EMB acrft is...no IFE, no food,limited lounges and as per the DJ web site no better seatpitch than anyone else onboard
...although 34" on the 190 is very good or does that mean the entire aircraft is PY??How do you justify 3 times the price difference between leadin price and Prem Y on an EMB with the only differential extra bags and a lounge at probobly 1 end of the route)??
Or is the DJ site incorrect regarding the EMB Prem Y seating .
If it is wrong I'm very happy to be corrected otherwise is just not worth it
Embraer 170

• 78 economy seats / 20 rows / 4 seats per row.
• 2 toilets (1 front / 1 rear).
• 4 exits (2 front / 2 rear).
• Seat width: Approx 18.25 inches (46 cms).
• Seat pitch: 33 inches for standard rows.

Embraer 190

• 104 economy seats / 26 rows / 4 seats per row.
• 2 toilets (1 front / 1 rear).
• 6 exits (2 front / 2 overwing / 2 rear).
• Seat width: Approx 18.25 inches (46 cms).
• Seat pitch: 34 inches for standard rows; 39-40 inches for exit rows.

 

[Evan]

Wow, thats only just a premium on seat pitch.

You get about 31" normally on QF/DJ, so 2 or 3 extra inches is not much - atleast when talking about seat pitch

Having said this, the config is really no different that BA and LH intra-europe. But on LH the food looked great in the front rows of the cabin, and was rather good down the back as well.
(note on BA/LH A319/A320 etc you can bag the exit rows in whY for than many extra inches for free, i guess you can on DJ as well, just never paid any attention since i have only flown a few times.)

E

 

[ANstar]

Wow, thats only just a premium on seat pitch.

Having said this, the config is really no different that BA and LH intra-europe. But on LH the food looked great in the front rows of the cabin, and was rather good down the back as well.

E

Even thought the hard product is the same, with Virgin you still have to pay for food and unlike in Europe, their competitor offers a full business product and seat for a msall amount more (ie comparing the SYD-MEL route)

 

[StevePER]

Last week they were putting Blue Zone customers in the Premium Y seats - have they stopped doing this now?

 

[wallacej]

I have to say, as a VERY regular user of DJ, to pay an extra $50 for the PE seats in my mind is not good value. I would have thought the Corp. plus fares should include the PE seats.

I am sure anyone buying a CP fare will be given a PE seat if available.. I really am surprised with the price difference though.

I mean to fly MEL-SYD on say DJ809 on March 20 is $109 currently for promo fare and $389 in PE... The extras of lounge access ($35) and extra baggage allowance and a guarantee of having no one squished up against you for an hour at a price of an extra $280 just doesn't compute for me...

 

[wallacej]

having seen the seats I think its way overpriced myself.

QF J still has so much more than DJs Premium Y lacks, the only people I can see it being a success with is those who don't care what it costs the company.

TG

Agreed (MEL/SYD - PER I would probably consider as worthwhile though)

edit:... I just checked, and extra $500 over promo fare on a MEL-PER flight, maybe not ($319 vs $839) so maybe not....

 

[JohnK]

Just looked at some airfares for SYD-MEL return in late March and notice that premium economy is priced at $389 one-way.

That is 4 times the price of the $99 promo airfares and 3 times the price of the $139 blue saver airfares. OK maybe they will include food and lounge access but still not worth it for a little extra width and leg room....

 

[moa999]

I think comparing the fare to the base far is misleading.

These are equivalent flexibly to the Corp Plus fares (where most buyers probably get corporate discounts anyway)

The Premium Y is clearly being marketed at the Exec who already buys the most flexible fares, because they never catch their initial flight, or always buys last minute.

 

[wallacej]

I think comparing the fare to the base far is misleading.

These are equivalent flexibly to the Corp Plus fares (where most buyers probably get corporate discounts anyway)

The Premium Y is clearly being marketed at the Exec who already buys the most flexible fares, because they never catch their initial flight, or always buys last minute.

That is a good point. Taking those that normally pay bus. class fares on QF would actually be saving money by using PE with DJ.

I would think any person paying their own way in bus.class, or like to save their company money will benefit by using PE, slightly smaller seats, and we aren't really talking long haul flights...

Guess I was kind of hoping to get PE for only slightly more than a blue saver fare, but forgetting that the PE fare includes all the benefits of the Corp plus fare...

 

[ANstar]

That is a good point. Taking those that normally pay bus. class fares on QF would actually be saving money by using PE with DJ.

I would think any person paying their own way in bus.class, or like to save their company money will benefit by using PE, slightly smaller seats, and we aren't really talking long haul flights......

I'm not sure people who fly QF business will downgrade to pay on board for a price that is not that far off QF J.

I expected PE to replace the corp plus fares...not be priced above them

 

[Travel Guru]

IMO they should have adopted a multi tiered Y+ fare basis, as theres plenty of people out there who dont need all the extras that come with Corp Plus fares but who would like more room and lounge access.

They are really missing a fairly big part of the market who if it were more reasonably priced for a restrictive Y+ fare would take it.

I don't honestly think too many people who have J priveliges on domestic routes would downgrade to DJ Y+ in their right mind, the products are still like night and day, and theres nowhere near the ego trip flying Y+ as there is J.

Anyway, it will be interested to see what their loadings are like in the coming months.

TG

 

[JohnK]

I think comparing the fare to the base far is misleading.

Why? It is the same as making the comparison between QF WHY and QF business class.

If I want a little more comfort then I need to know how much more it costs than the base airfare....

 

[Yada Yada]

Here is an interesting comparison. Mrs YY is travelling SYD-PER/return in May so I checked out award availability today for her.

At this stage, VB's PE fares are not available via the Velocity online booking engine, so I phoned up. The CSR I spoke with advised that they have been instructed to refer requests for PE awards to a team leader who will make the booking over the phone. I assume this is an interim thing.

Anway, I asked how many points it would cost and was advised that they would have to get a team leader to quote it and email me. I haven't received this yet. But I looked at VB's fully flexible fare for SYD-PER to get a feel for the points required - it is 44,100. On this basis I would expect PE to be higher, perhaps around the 50,000 point mark.

Over at QF, I found that I can book an award seat in J for 36,000 points each way.

Given that J is of course a lot nicer than PE and costs less points, that's a big difference.

 

[bambbbam2]

Of course the Y+ fares include access to The Lounge.

Oh that's right, there is NO Lounge at PER.

 

[Standby]

Here is an interesting comparison. Mrs YY is travelling SYD-PER/return in May so I checked out award availability today for her.

At this stage, VB's PE fares are not available via the Velocity online booking engine, so I phoned up. The CSR I spoke with advised that they have been instructed to refer requests for PE awards to a team leader who will make the booking over the phone. I assume this is an interim thing.

Anway, I asked how many points it would cost and was advised that they would have to get a team leader to quote it and email me. I haven't received this yet. But I looked at VB's fully flexible fare for SYD-PER to get a feel for the points required - it is 44,100. On this basis I would expect PE to be higher, perhaps around the 50,000 point mark.

Over at QF, I found that I can book an award seat in J for 36,000 points each way.

Given that J is of course a lot nicer than PE and costs less points, that's a big difference.

Does the 44,000 for DJ include all taxes, I thought DJ charged $30-40 on top of the points required? QFs J all inclusive of taxes is 42,000 points. Also to be fair the 44,000 is a last seat avail price vs QFs marginal freq flyer price