Double Status credits on Qantas Flights operated by Finnair

[peter_g]

Hi, Now that some flights SYD-SIN are being operated by Finnair planes but with QF flight numbers, does anyone know if the double status credits offer is still valid on these flights? I was booked on QF82 but Qantas changed this to QF292 operated by Finnair, and the original flight was booked when the double status credit offer was on in March this year. Qantas says that status accrues as normal, but no mention of double status offers. The double status offer says the flight must be operated by Qantas. Thanks!

 

[elanshin]

Hi, Now that some flights SYD-SIN are being operated by Finnair planes but with QF flight numbers, does anyone know if the double status credits offer is still valid on these flights? I was booked on QF82 but Qantas changed this to QF292 operated by Finnair, and the original flight was booked when the double status credit offer was on in March this year. Qantas says that status accrues as normal, but no mention of double status offers. The double status offer says the flight must be operated by Qantas. Thanks!

In theory it should given that it is Mainline QF similar to QF flights operated by alliance domestically. In practice we will see if their system automatically counts it (it should).

 

[Lynda2475]

Hi, Now that some flights SYD-SIN are being operated by Finnair planes but with QF flight numbers, does anyone know if the double status credits offer is still valid on these flights? I was booked on QF82 but Qantas changed this to QF292 operated by Finnair, and the original flight was booked when the double status credit offer was on in March this year. Qantas says that status accrues as normal, but no mention of double status offers. The double status offer says the flight must be operated by Qantas. Thanks!

If the DSCs do not materialise a week after the regular points post. submit an Original Routing Claim and stress the move to the new flight was involuntary.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

very jealous you managed to get an AY operated bird from SIN to SYD. Flew them earlier this week and they had a QF operated A380 which can’t hold a candle up to the new AY J product (flew that from HEL to SIN)

But to answer that question, absolutely you should receive the status credits for what you booked. It may require having to call in though.

-RooFlyer88

 

[Lynda2475]

QF operated A380 which can’t hold a candle up to the new AY J product

It is an individual preference thing, having flown both, I say give me the QF J seat on the A380 anytime.

1. QF J on A380 has nice storage on the window, plenty big enough for a decent size handbag/satchel and shoes and all the bedding. AY J seat has a tiny storage area, which will fit a laptop or amenities bag only; meaning you have to put valuables in the foot well or overhead bin.

2. AY J seat does not recline, so you have to have the agility to maneuver yourself into the lay flat position; and choose the seat carefully if you are a side sleeper as the angle means you can only lay on one side or your back. QF J seats have automated recline, so mobility isn't an issue and you can sleep on whatever side suits.

When its time to return to seated position on QF press a button; plus there are handles (on side table and on back of seat in front) to help you stand up. On AY its all smooth surfaces and rounded edges, no handles so it is difficult for anyone with knee issues (i had an injury and couldnt fully bend my knee) or who is elderly to pull themselves up to a seated position. There is literally nothing for you feet to get purchase on or for you to hold to help pull yourself up.

No moving parts is good from a maintenance pov, but hard work if you arent as agile as you once might have been.

3. Seat belt is fine on both when seated. But when you move to lay down on AY, you use a different sash belt and its retractable and quite tight across the hips. This makes rolling over difficult, unless you reach down and pull the belt first. On QF you can made the lap belt a bit loser because it isn't retractable and have no movement issues whilst flat.

4. The seat cover on AY doesn't attach to anything its is simply laid on top of the seats, as you move yourself into the footwell it doesn't always stay where it should. QF cover attaches to the seat so stays in place better. AY seat is also firmer (but you prefer that).

5. On AY only 2 options, seated bolt upright (with no lumbar support except a tiny pillow) or laying down. On QF there are multiple setting in between these 2 extremes, if you like to recline some whilst watching TV. Speaking of which the AY tv is fixes position, when laying down you cant tilt it to make viewing more comfortable from that position.

I slept better on QF J seats on A380/B789, BAs new B789 seat and even on BAs old J config.

I think its quite polarising seat, I could never recommend it for anyone older. I would still fly AY J; but if there was another choice that worked Id likely go with that. But I understand why a younger person may love it.

 

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[peter_g]

It is an individual preference thing, having flown both, I say give me the QF J seat on the A380 anytime.

1. QF J on A380 has nice storage on the window, plenty big enough for a decent size handbag/satchel and shoes and all the bedding. AY J seat has a tiny storage area, which will fit a laptop or amenities bag only; meaning you have to put valuables in the foot well or overhead bin.

2. AY J seat does not recline, so you have to have the agility to maneuver yourself into the lay flat position; and choose the seat carefully if you are a side sleeper as the angle means you can only lay on one side or your back. QF J seats have automated recline, so mobility isn't an issue and you can sleep on whatever side suits.

When its time to return to seated position on QF press a button; plus there are handles (on side table and on back of seat in front) to help you stand up. On AY its all smooth surfaces and rounded edges, no handles so it is difficult for anyone with knee issues (i had an injury and couldnt fully bend my knee) or who is elderly to pull themselves up to a seated position. There is literally nothing for you feet to get purchase on or for you to hold to help pull yourself up.

No moving parts is good from a maintenance pov, but hard work if you arent as agile as you once might have been.

3. Seat belt is fine on both when seated. But when you move to lay down on AY, you use a different sash belt and its retractable and quite tight across the hips. This makes rolling over difficult, unless you reach down and pull the belt first. On QF you can made the lap belt a bit loser because it isn't retractable and have no movement issues whilst flat.

4. The seat cover on AY doesn't attach to anything its is simply laid on top of the seats, as you move yourself into the footwell it doesn't always stay where it should. QF cover attaches to the seat so stays in place better. AY seat is also firmer (but you prefer that).

5. On AY only 2 options, seated bolt upright or laying down. On QF there are multiple setting in between these 2 extremes, if you like to recline some whilst watching TV. Speaking of which the AY tv is fixes position, when laying down you cant tilt it to make viewing more comfortable from that position.

I slept better on QF J seats on A380/B789, BAs new B789 seat and even on BAs old J config.

I think its quite polarising seat, I could never recommend it for anyone older. I would still fly AY J; but if there was another choice that worked Id likely go with that. But I understand why a younger person may love it.

Thanks - I am based in Finland and I think I would have flown on every Finnair plane at some point. The A330s that Qantas are leasing are the refurbished 3 class variety. Unfortunately this time I'm down the back, I simply could not justify the massively increased J class fare. I've flown both QF J and AY J and do prefer QF J over the new AY J. The new AY J is an interesting alternative but I prefer the traditional recline/lie flat.
In economy again I much prefer QF as the AY economy has these issues:
- If the seat in front reclines, then the screen becomes invisible, as it doesn't hinge out from the top.
- The armrests are so small, flimsy and bend easily, so that if you have a large neighbour the armrest will bend to accommodate and you will loose your space.
- The main cabin material is flimsy white plastic. I wonder what it will be like after a couple of years use.
- AY A330 is noisier than QF A330. Might be less sound deadening or different engines.

 

[Townsend]

It is an individual preference thing, having flown both, I say give me the QF J seat on the A380 anytime.

1. QF J on A380 has nice storage on the window, plenty big enough for a decent size handbag/satchel and shoes and all the bedding. AY J seat has a tiny storage area, which will fit a laptop or amenities bag only; meaning you have to put valuables in the foot well or overhead bin.

2. AY J seat does not recline, so you have to have the agility to maneuver yourself into the lay flat position; and choose the seat carefully if you are a side sleeper as the angle means you can only lay on one side or your back. QF J seats have automated recline, so mobility isn't an issue and you can sleep on whatever side suits.

When its time to return to seated position on QF press a button; plus there are handles (on side table and on back of seat in front) to help you stand up. On AY its all smooth surfaces and rounded edges, no handles so it is difficult for anyone with knee issues (i had an injury and couldnt fully bend my knee) or who is elderly to pull themselves up to a seated position. There is literally nothing for you feet to get purchase on or for you to hold to help pull yourself up.

No moving parts is good from a maintenance pov, but hard work if you arent as agile as you once might have been.

3. Seat belt is fine on both when seated. But when you move to lay down on AY, you use a different sash belt and its retractable and quite tight across the hips. This makes rolling over difficult, unless you reach down and pull the belt first. On QF you can made the lap belt a bit loser because it isn't retractable and have no movement issues whilst flat.

4. The seat cover on AY doesn't attach to anything its is simply laid on top of the seats, as you move yourself into the footwell it doesn't always stay where it should. QF cover attaches to the seat so stays in place better. AY seat is also firmer (but you prefer that).

5. On AY only 2 options, seated bolt upright or laying down. On QF there are multiple setting in between these 2 extremes, if you like to recline some whilst watching TV. Speaking of which the AY tv is fixes position, when laying down you cant tilt it to make viewing more comfortable from that position.

I slept better on QF J seats on A380/B789, BAs new B789 seat and even on BAs old J config.

I think its quite polarising seat, I could never recommend it for anyone older. I would still fly AY J; but if there was another choice that worked Id likely go with that. But I understand why a younger person may love it.

Lynda, as someone who is, unfortunately, not in the first flushes of youth, I loved the AY seat with the exception of the seat belt you mentioned in point 3. To me that let the whole experience down. However the ability to sit in so many different positions on the seat, was great.

 

[Lynda2475]

However the ability to sit in so many different positions on the seat, was great.

I not that old, but injured my knee very badly before the flight and because lateral movements were mighty painful I found crawling out of the footwell at an angle to get to a position where i could stand up very very difficult. So much so after sleeping about 4 hours and getting up to use the facilities, I decided it was way too much trouble to lay down again. Thankfully was only a 9 hour flight.

I admit once seated it was comfortable to sit with feet elevated on the bit directly in front of the seat (not the footwell used when sleeping). But there are far less supported positions than a moveable seat.

Like I said it is a preference thing and polarising, but if you have knee or other mobility issues I maintain this isnt the seat for you, if you want to be able to lay down and then get up again quickly and easily.

Im sure if my knees were working as they used to my opinion (but not about the lack of storage) may be more positive. Is it still a million times better than Y on any carrier? Yes? Is it better than a QF B737 J seat or FJ B3737 Max seat? Yes. Is it better than other J seats I've flow for me? No (I even prefer QF A330 J).

 

[tdimdad]

very jealous you managed to get an AY operated bird from SIN to SYD. Flew them earlier this week and they had a QF operated A380 which can’t hold a candle up to the new AY J product (flew that from HEL to SIN)

You mean, you had a QF flight which was sold as codeshare by AY.

Similar to my upcoming AY5012 and AY5093. A QF flight and a CX flight, just the money being routed via and ticketed by AY.

 

[peter_g]

Hi, Now that some flights SYD-SIN are being operated by Finnair planes but with QF flight numbers, does anyone know if the double status credits offer is still valid on these flights? I was booked on QF82 but Qantas changed this to QF292 operated by Finnair, and the original flight was booked when the double status credit offer was on in March this year. Qantas says that status accrues as normal, but no mention of double status offers. The double status offer says the flight must be operated by Qantas. Thanks!

And the end result was .... the double status credits for QF292 automatically appeared on my account 4 days after the flight! So yes the QF flights that use Finnair planes do qualify for DSC and you don't have to do anything extra yourself.

 

[justinbrett]

The AY for QF flights are flying with QFA callsigns - and the QF flight number is the primary flight number; the AY number is a codeshare.

So definitely counts as a normal QF flight.