Is this really true? What would you do?

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Hi, lifetime gold FF here. My daughter is travelling to Europe and when Qantas released some classic rewards flights to London I snapped one up for her using my points. One way, thinking I could just add the return flight when she had the cash (yes I could have paid, but she is wanting to 'adult'). She now has the money so I tried to book the return leg only to find you end up on the UK site - and the ticket price is $1900 (only $1307 if I had booked both ways). I contacted the Qantas thinking they could book the London to Perth from the Australian site (in other words charge me $1307 plus $77 booking fee instead of $1900). How wrong was I! Apparently 'the terms and conditions of the classic reward fare doesn't allow it'. Even though one can't book return seats when classic reward seats first open up - because the return date isn't available!

So I think my options are:
1) Cancel classic reward flight and pay $2400 return
2) Pay the $1900 to get her home
What would you do?
Second question if I may - as a Gold FF I can choose seats closer to the front. Got her perfect seat on the Classic reward. If I cancel the reward seat can I book through my FF account (I will not be travelling) but in her name so better choice of seats?

Thank you for your advice, while a lifetime Gold member almost all of my travel has been the cheapest flight of the day in economy for work over the past 20 years - so not experienced at maximising the benefits of membership
 
Well yes it's true since you're looking to book a one way revenue fare and the point of sale is the UK. That's normal. Yes, the pricing will vary depending on point of sale (not to mention international one way fares are often more expensive than components of a return fare).

Are there reward seats on the return flights/dates she wants? if so, book it (get it added to the existing booking) - assuming you have the points - and you could charge her what you feel is reasonable if she wants to "adult" ?

As for pay the 1900 vs 2400 return. I guess it's all about the value to you of the transaction - the value of the points on the reward seat vs the spend - plus is there any desire or intent for her to accrue any points from revenue fare (assuming not points club member)? Only you can make that determination.
 
I would keep the reward booking and book a one way LHR to SYD with another airline. Vietnam Airlines is usually a good option as they are cheap, ticket changes $ is reasonable. Just make sure the connnection in Vietnam is at the same airport. You also use google travel to search for cheap one way fares on other airlines.
 
My experience has been that there is almost always classic rewards availability in the near future between London and Australia when traveling outside of typical holiday times.

Perhaps find a somewhat flexible fare you could cancel for a refund and look daily for classic rewards. Assuming you have the points for it.
 
Welcome to AFF @snowflake

As the UK has relatively high departure taxes, you might consider your daughter getting on the train to say Paris, or somewhere on the continent and returning from there.

Also, as it’s a one way fare, consider flying an airline other than Qantas which might (probably will) give you cheaper options.

Personally I would be looking at training to Paris and then one of the middle east carriers back to Australia via the Gulf.
 
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Your status doesn't impact what seats your daughter can select unless you are also travelling in the same booking
Interesting - I guess I was able to choose the seat because I booked classic rewards using my points
My experience has been that there is almost always classic rewards availability in the near future between London and Australia when traveling outside of typical holiday times.

Perhaps find a somewhat flexible fare you could cancel for a refund and look daily for classic rewards. Assuming you have the points for it.
 
Ok as swift (she has to get back to work - is already taking leave without pay) and direct is the priority I guess I could:
1) Book both ways for $2400 (I don't want to see it go up - red E deals are already sold out)
2) Maybe hold on to the classic reward seat and wear the cancellation fee of $400 (2x$200 for a saver seat - assume I got that right?) if a classic reward comes up in the future.
3) Pay for a better seat for her

Thank you so much for all your advice - this site is amazing!
 
Another option is to try and rebook her from scratch with a return ticket part points and cash. Below is how you can do such booking a get a saver fare back home (or vice-versa) and compare the cost.

1. Put in your return fare dates as per booking a normal flight
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2. Select your award fare.
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3. Now with your return you can access the saver fare on the way home.
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4. Now on your confirmation screen you will see the points and combined cash costs.
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5. Once you have booked and confirmed you can cancel your old award flight, note you will deducted 6000 points for the cancellation but will get the rest of your points back. It may take a few days for your preferred seat to reshow back. I'm not sure if there is any other related cancellation costs.
 

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Ok as swift (she has to get back to work - is already taking leave without pay) and direct is the priority I guess I could:
1) Book both ways for $2400 (I don't want to see it go up - red E deals are already sold out)
2) Maybe hold on to the classic reward seat and wear the cancellation fee of $400 (2x$200 for a saver seat - assume I got that right?) if a classic reward comes up in the future.
3) Pay for a better seat for her

Thank you so much for all your advice - this site is amazing!
Also some aditional food for thought.

Unless your daughter absolutely must return by a certain date and can't leave Europe any sooner, the premium you pay for the direct flight may actually be more than what she would earn if she got back a day (12 hour-18hours) later via a connection if it's significantly cheaper. Like if youre going to save $400 that's usually more than a days wage type of situation.
 
I love you guys. Thank you so much! To be honest I can afford to pay for her - was just trying to help her 'adult' and know she is nervous travelling alone. (She is going on contiki - overseas trip without mum or dad). So I just decided to 'gift' her the flights and bought her good seats. I will then have her 'gift' me her points since I am the frequent flyer. I know not really the same value but hey, only child and worth it. thank you again for all your advice - and so quickly!
 
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I love you guys. Thank you so much! To be honest I can afford to pay for her - was just trying to help her 'adult' and know she is nervous travelling alone. (She is going on contiki - overseas trip without mum or dad). So I just decided to 'gift' her the flights and bought her good seats. I will then have her 'gift' me her points since I am the frequent flyer. I know not really the same value but hey, only child and worth it. thank you again for all your advice - and so quickly!

That is a lovely gesture and I'm sure it will be a trip to remember.
 
Hi, lifetime gold FF here. My daughter is travelling to Europe and when Qantas released some classic rewards flights to London I snapped one up for her using my points.
Good job!
One way, thinking I could just add the return flight when she had the cash (yes I could have paid, but she is wanting to 'adult'). She now has the money so I tried to book the return leg only to find you end up on the UK site - and the ticket price is $1900 (only $1307 if I had booked both ways).
A return ticket is an economy ticket whereas a one-way ticket is a business ticket. And no I'm not referring to the class of service, I am referring to the market the airlines are discriminating their pricing towards. Leisure travellers almost always book return tickets because they have specific times they can be on vacation. Business travellers book one-ways since they don't know when they'll return or where they are heading to next and need flexibility. If you dig into the tickets booked you will discover that despite the one-way ticket costing more it will have more benefits over a return ticket such as the accrual of additional status credits and refunds/changes being considerably less than the leisure "saver" return fare.

I contacted the Qantas thinking they could book the London to Perth from the Australian site (in other words charge me $1307 plus $77 booking fee instead of $1900).
Generally speaking, the point of ticketing will be the origin of the ticket issue. So if you book a ticket originating in the US you will have a US point of sale whereas if it were originating from London, the UK would be the point of sale. There are ways around this, such as using an online travel agency like Expedia. Additionally point of sale sometimes (but not always) has an impact on the price you see. I've seen itineraries where it was virtually identical (minus very minor differences in currency exchange rates) whereas others the ticket was nearly half the cost having the point of sale be somewhere else.

Will point of sale make a difference here? No. The fact of the matter is $1900 AUD seems reasonable for a one-way fare on Qantas. As others have pointed out you would be well served to look at other airline options which may provide better routings or service.

Another thing to realize with the UK, which others have pointed out is that departing from a UK airport there is an air passenger duty (APD) which you may have to pay. If booking a return ticket or upgrading cabins, generally speaking the airline eats the cost (they do this by reducing the base fare by an amount equivalent to the APD). On business one-way fares like this, however, the airline is likely to pass that cost onto you.

How wrong was I! Apparently 'the terms and conditions of the classic reward fare doesn't allow it'. Even though one can't book return seats when classic reward seats first open up - because the return date isn't available!

So I think my options are:
1) Cancel classic reward flight and pay $2400 return
2) Pay the $1900 to get her home
What would you do?
Second question if I may - as a Gold FF I can choose seats closer to the front. Got her perfect seat on the Classic reward. If I cancel the reward seat can I book through my FF account (I will not be travelling) but in her name so better choice of seats?

Thank you for your advice, while a lifetime Gold member almost all of my travel has been the cheapest flight of the day in economy for work over the past 20 years - so not experienced at maximising the benefits of membership
Is there a specific reason why you want her to fly Qantas or OneWorld? Unless she has special status conferred to her (which from my reading she doesn't) and isn't planning on earning Qantas Frequent Flyer status, I fail to see the reason of staying loyal to them for this trip. And I can say this as a Qantas Platinum who from time to time will fly outside of the alliance if the price is right. For instance, back in April I booked round the world in business class for $3200 CAD with Air Canada flying their partners (Etihad, Virgin Australia, TAP Air Portugal and Asiana). I'll take that any day than spending a comparable amount flying Qantas or BA in coach.

What I would probably do is simply look at what the one way fares are from London back to Australia on Google flights and choose whichever is the cheapest and provides the best routing. I'm seeing $1100 AUD one-way from LHR to SYD (on some dates even less on AI). As some posters have mentioned, it is possible to fly somewhere else in Europe thereby bypassing the APD. However you have to determine whether the hassle of having to catch that additional flight/train ride makes sense. For me CDG is a non-starter because are you getting for that hassle is a reduction in the APD. Other cities in Europe (notably DUB, ARN) are notoriously cheap when it comes to international fares.

-RooFlyer88
 
I love you guys. Thank you so much! To be honest I can afford to pay for her - was just trying to help her 'adult' and know she is nervous travelling alone. (She is going on contiki - overseas trip without mum or dad). So I just decided to 'gift' her the flights and bought her good seats. I will then have her 'gift' me her points since I am the frequent flyer. I know not really the same value but hey, only child and worth it. thank you again for all your advice - and so quickly!
It does not matter how much you can try to protect someone travelling things can and will go wrong. It is part of travel in general, and specifically on long haul international trips like this. The key thing is to prepare your daughter for the travel, share your experiences (and some war stories) so she knows how to handle these situations. That's the most valuable lesson you can provide them (more so than your fancy status).

Having gotten the travel bug back in 2017, I can tell you I've learned a lot from the many trips I have taken (both domestic and internationally). Whereas other travellers would melt facing cancellations and last minute schedule changes, I am now at a point where not only can I handle it, I actually welcome it. I can't tell you the number of times I have forced airlines to put me up in business class, change my awful non-stop flight into a connecting flight (for additional status credits) or claim EU261 when my Singapore to Sydney flight gets delayed. The good news about this itinerary is that your daughter will face the worse consumer protections originating in Australia, where you will be able to assist her as a Gold. When she is in the UK/Europe she will have some of the strongest consumer protection laws when it comes to travel protecting her for her entire journey back. From guaranteed hotel bookings and meals when flights get delayed or cancelled (for any reason) to 600 Euros in cash compensation when flights are delayed/cancelled due to anything but weather.

-RooFlyer88
 
One thought I had and I understand though if you don’t want to share, but if you give a specific date on which your daughter needs to leave to come back (or alternatively what time/date she needs to be back in Australia) and what city she is retuning to (PER?) then the AFF brains trust might be able to come up with some options, and not just dealing in general principles.
 
Another option is to try and rebook her from scratch with a return ticket part points and cash. Below is how you can do such booking a get a saver fare back home (or vice-versa) and compare the cost.

1. Put in your return fare dates as per booking a normal flight
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2. Select your award fare.
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3. Now with your return you can access the saver fare on the way home.
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4. Now on your confirmation screen you will see the points and combined cash costs.
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5. Once you have booked and confirmed you can cancel your old award flight, note you will deducted 6000 points for the cancellation but will get the rest of your points back. It may take a few days for your preferred seat to reshow back. I'm not sure if there is any other related cancellation costs.
Technically, the existing booking could be amended to add the paid return leg or add another reward sector (if it was available) and reticketed (for a change fee). But there are reports here of some QF call centres refusing to do this for existing CR flight booking…
 
Technically, the existing booking could be amended to add the paid return leg or add another reward sector (if it was available) and reticketed (for a change fee). But there are reports here of some QF call centres refusing to do this for existing CR flight booking…
Probably because this falls out of the scope of tools available to many call centres uf you want to tack a revenue onto reward.
 
Technically, the existing booking could be amended to add the paid return leg or add another reward sector (if it was available) and reticketed (for a change fee). But there are reports here of some QF call centres refusing to do this for existing CR flight booking…
That is exactly what happened. I ended up sucking it up - spent 2 hours getting passed off to others 5 times and wasn't worth my energy any more. I even told them it was possible because I did it last year on the exact same route year prior. But that resulted in a refund due to me that took 10 months and hours of calls to get it back.

Long story short, Qantas has me in its grip because I do most of my travel Perth to east coast capital cities on cheapest fare of the day (got lifetime Gold that way - torture) and I value the lounge since I often have meetings cancelled at short notice resulting in hours of hanging around. And I have over 200,000 FF points. So instead of using them for my daughter I will hope they don't disappear through a change of policy and use them for myself when I retire.

I just paid the $2400 for my daughter and cancelled the CR flight. And now know what a helpful group this is and in future will ask first! I appreciate everyone of you who replied and gave me your suggestions
 
Great that you secured her flights! She'll be over the moon and hopefully brings back so many stories to share (and a few souvenirs) that you'll need several BBQ's to hear them all.

In general, the suggestion to open up the selection of airlines in her case is a good one. You may personally prefer QF because of the points and status but to her that would be less relevant when travelling alone (until she's got status herself). This means that you could freely choose any suitable airline, e.g. Qatar, Singapore, etc. From the east coast, I would have also suggested checking out JAL who often sell premium economy to Europe for about $2,700 and it even comes with lounge access in their own network for added comfort.
 

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