Jetstar ¨business class¨ needs renaming, again?

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Hello all,

This is NOT a whinge about Jetstar. Please read all of it if you are tempted to peek here.It is just my observations of a trip I did day before yesterday on JQ3 SYD-HNLin ¨business¨ on Jetstar. My post is prompted by an email from them asking for the usual 25 word ¨how they can do better¨ essay in exchange for a chance to win something. Think it was an ipad or similar. Ironic… Just want to see if my experience is the norm amongst AFF members. I know there are hate-Jetstar pages out there – not interested in that. Just let me know if my feelings are justified.

Previously I had only dabbled in jetstar once, which was economy tickets to get my family over to NZ with me. That flight was OK, in a cheap seats sense, nice staff, shortish flight. The reason for this trip was the need for an economic one-way positioning flight.

Anyway,

Arrived at SYD airport early – 2pm for a 6pm departure. Reason being my wife wanted to enjoy some time at the QF Flounge. We arrived at the checkin counters and there were no staff. People were queing already and I checked the boards and the next flights were departures for Bali and somewhere else starting at 5:15pm. Nowhere to find out when checkin would commence, so we waited with everyone else. At 3pm the staff appeared. They wandered around for a while, but none talked to or acknowledged waiting pax. By this time the economy queue ran all the way out to near the terminal entrance. There were about ten of us in the business line. The first economy pax got dealt with at 3:20pm. For some reason the lady doing the business line was the last to open. She chatted to the others and finally opened at about 3:30pm. I was second in line, she walked past the gentleman who was first about 4 times, but did not say hello, or a simple ¨will open soon¨. Not a good start to the Jetstar Business Max experience. When I got served the lady struggled with the fact that my post-USA destination (required for travel) was Curacao. I explained it was in the Dutch Antilles, some little islands in the Carribean. I know this wasn’t perhaps the usual scenario, but she sought assistance from other staff several times. I had the strange belief that the business line would be served by the most experienced staff?
After a lovely time in the Flounge, boarding time came. I was not expecting too much. I know that Jetstar business was not going to be true international business. But it was still a bit of a let down. Basic problems:

Seat pitch is truly poor. I know it is my fault I am not suited for seats designed for normal human beings (I am 6´7¨) but this was the worst non-economy seat I have experienced. I cannot believe they have no seatback personal entertainment. Ipads got handed out about 2 ½ hrs into the flight. Very limited selection of content, and plugs that drop out continually. Staff in the front cabin (7 rows 6 across?) consisted of an Aussie male CSM and two young Asian hosties. They were all very nice, but it seemed the work load was very high. Didnt get my first drink until I got a glass of red with the meal about 1hr 20min into the flight. No offer of a refill. After the first few hours when meal service was over I asked for a couple of bourbons which appeared very quickly. Food was of typical economy standard. All in all a very uncomfortable flight, with pitiful IFE.

Overall I rate the experience well below QF Premium Economy.

Best thing was obviously the price. I think it cost me about $1500 and as said before, I needed one way tickets. Without that massive price attraction, you just wouldn’t do it. Second best thing was the staff. It was a bit weird being on an Australian carrier and having a bit of a language barrier (I cringed every time the poor young Asian lass had to offer ¨salt and pepper¨ to each meal recipient – she just couldn’t say it) but they were very nice, polite, and helpful. And the CSM seemed to be very good also. Pity they have to struggle with what they can offer. Let down by the plane and catering.

The only thing I would really suggest to Jetstar is that they stop calling this service¨business¨. IMHO that is far worse than AA calling their domestic service ¨First¨. If you create high expectations, you are going to disappoint. Call it Prem Econ.

Would I do it again? Not for such a long flight. I think it is worth the money they charge, but please rename it.
 
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Sounds like you got what you paid for (which isn't a criticism of you or your post at all).

You make a very good point that they're being disingenuous and a bit silly calling their premium service 'business' when it so clearly isn't.
 
I agree that your experience would be normal. You probably aren't the only QF Platinum to feel that the experience wasn't quite up to expectations. I think the 'Business Class' Jetstar product is not pitched to those who fly often or have the expectations of a more traditional (dare I say legacy) airline.

Price, points and the fact that QF don't fly places is really the only reason to consider them. At least you got to enjoy the lounge!

As far as renaming goes, I think Premium Economy is still shooting a bit high. Economy Plus perhaps.

FTM


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Yes, Economy Plus is probably about right. I could haave got lounge access in economy, but as per op their premium fare was attractive due to price and ticketing. I know QF flies to HNL but after reading reviews of their J service (tired old 767s?) on this route I could not justify to myself the cost difference for a self-funded flight. And buying the business max ensured SC earnings, which have bumped my kids to QF Gold. For that amazing achievement (kids understand FF status because of my travel) alone it was worth it. I recognize Jetstar for what it is. Just wish they would drop the J pretensions.
 
Why don't they just revert back to * class? You can't then really compare it to business or premium economy. It just is what it is...
 
Why don't they just revert back to * class? You can't then really compare it to business or premium economy. It just is what it is...


I agree with your response.

*Class was acceptable for what it was but calling it business class isn't right when you're used to real J seats such as on the QF A380.
 
Why don't they just revert back to * class? You can't then really compare it to business or premium economy. It just is what it is...

Why not premium? Isn't it the same seat as QF Y plus?

Same goes what do you call QF domestic J? Or BA intra Euro J?

The lack of IFE comes from the fact that the original 330's were City Flyer birds, which had no IFE due to the domestic nature of their ops.
 
Why not premium? Isn't it the same seat as QF Y plus?.....

mannej, no they are not the same seats. Pitch is probably as good, but the design is ancient, and you cannot put your legs under the seat in front. Even so they probably are worth the PE tag due to the gained sc and points. But overall the product is below QF PE.
 
Good post OP, I agree totally with everything you said.

Especially about the check-in experience, and the ipads, lack of choices on it and the seats.

I agree it should be called *class because it is not anywhere near a business class.

The ONLY thing that makes it worthwhile doing a trip on Jetstar business class is the food (Just kidding, they actually poisoned me lol) but seriously the SC you can get from a business max can be worth it, but overall not worth it.

Just mutton dressed up as lamb...
 
Ummmm - it's closer to domestic QF business class. In terms of seating it's the same or similar to most QF J domestic aircraft. Domestic meals in J on QF can be rubbish too - I've certainly had enough examples. And JQ IFE is better than most QF domestic IFE (except you have to wait for the iPad). And service on QF domestic J can take ages too - over an hour sometimes to start with anything, in my experience, on coughpy J routes like CNS-MEL.

It's not international business class standards.
 
Major Complaints re J* J (same flight as OP but in July this year):

1. Check in for mine is the worst part of the lot. I believe that if there's another flight open and you're flying carry on only then you can beat the whole 3 hour issue. However there has to be another flight open. Comment from the counter in July was "There are no baggage crew there prior to the 3 hour mark." However as I haven't flown that again I haven't had a chance to try my theory out.

2. Service on board. Nowhere near enough service re extra drinks between meals. I'm not whining because I want to get hammered on these flights, I'm talking basic water refills. Note to Jetstar: One 600ml bottle of water in your seat prior to takeoff is not enough for a 10 hr trip, you guys should be coming through every hour or two.

Minor Complaints:

1. IFE: Wasn't a big issue for us as we were well aware of what to expect. Their iPads didn't have that much to choose from, in the end we gave them back. Each of us had our own "idevice" loaded with our own bits so it wasn't a drama.

Issues I'm ok with:

1. Seat: Again having read plenty I knew what to expect and was ok with them. I'm not 6'7" and was in 2D each time so I had plenty of stretch room.

2. Food: My meals were fine. My wife didn't really enjoy the food so that was a bit of a hassle. The lack of being able to select a kids meal especially in "J" would've been an issue but the availability of some 2min noodles saved the day.

What would I do before flying this route again:

1. SYD Connection: We flew QF PER-SYD that morning and consequently had the hassle of transferring to J*. I would look into flying J* PER-SYD if it meant being able to get all boarding passes in Perth (would be carry on only) and go straight to the F lounge on arrival into SYD.

2. Fluids: Ensure we're carrying at least an extra bottle of drink each (water for myself, a Vitamin Water or similar for my wife). A quick pitstop in the Intl Terminal.

3. IFE: Wouldn't bother and I'd ensure the idevices are loaded again.


It is a matter of getting what you paid for. No it doesn't stack up to topline Intl J but I believe most would know that through some basic research. However the J SC's and points are great!!
 
It is a matter of getting what you paid for. No it doesn't stack up to topline Intl J but I believe most would know that through some basic research. However the J SC's and points are great!!

I don't think it stacks up to the most ordinary Intl J getting around.

Given your comments above, as per the OP's original point, do you believe that the product is incorrectly labelled?
 
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I think if they sold it as PE and Y they'd have a harder time selling it despite the buzz that it is PE and no where near J.

I honestly thing the better idea would be improving the service and product offered, but I clearly have no sense when it comes to the air traffic market :p
 
Not much to add;

Used them in *class MEL-SIN-MEL and was happy enough with the flight and service for what it was...the service was much as you described (the Japanese FA who waved a bottle of sparkling in front of me and said, in a very husky voice "wants drinks?" was a classic) (Yes, I wants drinks :)). My checkin 3 hours ahead was no issue.

After that they changed the name to Business Class and charged a whopping AUD200 each way to get lounge access, ticket flexibility, and SCs/points. already had lounge access, not fussed about flexibility, so $200 for SCs/points? Forget it! Would have to be a very compelling case for me to use JQ 'business' class under the current cionditions.

While a name is just a name, I think they are taking the pi55 by calling it business class. Obviously I am not alone in that view.
 
Not that I ever fly Jetstar, but I can see the valid points made.

I would be inclined to call it something like what BA do with their intra Europe "Business" class. Perhaps Club Class, or something like that. It would be a real disappointment for people who know nothing about Jetstar to book Business and then end up with the product that is on offer. (and it's still not that cheap...even Air Asia Premium seats are better than what i can tell)
 
Sounds about the usual experience. Certainly similar to my jq trips in economy and business.

I agree it shouldn't be called business but also see the value that flying on jq could bring to some (eg true one way pricing).

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having just flown Mel Dps I concur with all the comments here. the return was on a new A330 with the newer seats and in-seat IFE (exact same content!), but the leg rest consisted of a fold down metal torture bar! just horrid, at least the older seat had better foot/leg support.

meal is simply what economy used to be. the product is nowhere near qf dom biz.

one other thing. when I booked, I could not finish the booking online. had to ring the call centre, got charged for the pleasure and was told the reason was so few seats left. itinerary arrived soon after, biz cabin only half full????
 
I don't think it stacks up to the most ordinary Intl J getting around.

Given your comments above, as per the OP's original point, do you believe that the product is incorrectly labelled?

Plenty of airlines make JQ J look like good J, fly scoot for instance! We are spoilt by what we have access to, giving us rose colored glasses at times, why can't I get a skybed for my $1500 fare ;), oh and it has to be mk2 of course, lol.
 
I don't think it stacks up to the most ordinary Intl J getting around.

Given your comments above, as per the OP's original point, do you believe that the product is incorrectly labelled?

I believe the areas I mentioned above should be improved upon.

Jetstar describe it as "How we do Business Class." Whose to say what is or isn't Business Class? No it isn't equivalent of QF/SQ/CX etc but isn't it just a name to distinguish it as better seats/service at the front ofthe plane?
 
Meal is simply what economy used to be. the product is nowhere near qf dom biz.

Mmmm if this is still the JQ J product then it's a fair bit better than just about all my QF domestic J meals. 16 - Jetstar plane food | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

The old JQ StarClass used to be an all plastic presentation - knives, forks, cups, plates, glasses (except for wine glasses).

If QF can call their domestic J offering "Business Class", I guess JQ can call their offering "Business" as well. And then there are all the European airlines on their intra-europe routes...
 
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