Luggage allowance with different airlines [Separate Tickets]

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I know I've seen similar posts but search didn't find the answer so here is my question.
I'm flying Per to Sin on QF and as QP get 2 x 23 kg bags I believe. After a layover of 6 hours, I then board SIA flight to Milan and their allowance is 1 x 20 kg. Am I allowed to take more on the SIA flight ?
:confused:
 
I know I've seen similar posts but search didn't find the answer so here is my question.
I'm flying Per to Sin on QF and as QP get 2 x 23 kg bags I believe. After a layover of 6 hours, I then board SIA flight to Milan and their allowance is 1 x 20 kg. Am I allowed to take more on the SIA flight ?
:confused:

If you are able to check-in at PER all the way to Milan, then you can have whatever QF will tolerate at PER, which is most likely your QF allowance.

However, I see this as unlikely since QF and SQ are not in any way allied, they probably don't have an interline agreement, and from what I could guess, your two flights (PER-SIN and SIN-Milan) are probably on two separate tickets.

My guess is that you will be forced to comply with the baggage allowances on each applicable airline for each leg of the journey. You will also need to reclaim your bags at SIN and re-check for the SQ flight.
 
I know I've seen similar posts but search didn't find the answer so here is my question.
I'm flying Per to Sin on QF and as QP get 2 x 23 kg bags I believe. After a layover of 6 hours, I then board SIA flight to Milan and their allowance is 1 x 20 kg. Am I allowed to take more on the SIA flight ?
:confused:

I assume this is not on the one QF ticket. In the case you are on separate tickets you can only take 20kg on SIA.
 
I know I've seen similar posts but search didn't find the answer so here is my question.
I'm flying Per to Sin on QF and as QP get 2 x 23 kg bags I believe. After a layover of 6 hours, I then board SIA flight to Milan and their allowance is 1 x 20 kg. Am I allowed to take more on the SIA flight ?
:confused:

If you are on seperate tickets the answer would be no in this case.
 
If it were the same ticket, with IATA resolution 302 the allowance for the journey would be that of the MSC, being SQ for the flight to Milan (TC3-TC2). If on check-in at PER the allowance was applied in direct accordance with 302, it would be 1 x 20kg.
 
Not sure if this helps, but I sent an email to SQ asking if they have an interline agreement with British Airways at Heathrow. The response was basically a no. Figures BA and QF are pretty much the same entity in this case, although not sure about QF's position at the original carrier.

"Dear Mr. Shenos

Thank you for your email.

Please note that we are not in partnership with British Airways and so, we
would not be able to tag your bags to the British Airways flight. Please
collect your bags on arrival in London and check-in separately for the
British Airways flight.

I hope the above is of assistance to you and thank you for choosing
Singapore Airlines.

Yours Sincerely,
Nenty
SIA Australia"

 
So much for those who state SQ is a premium airline because they will interline to anyone.

For the record, SQ and QF do have an interline agreement, as there are instances on the QF website where it will send you on SQ after your QF flight to SIN.
 
So much for those who state SQ is a premium airline because they will interline to anyone.

For the record, SQ and QF do have an interline agreement, as there are instances on the QF website where it will send you on SQ after your QF flight to SIN.

If the QF flight is in the same pnr as the SQ one then QF can interline the bag however as per the MSC rule in Serfty's post they would still only be allowed 20 kilos.

It would just be more convenient to have it in the same pnr so you do't have to collect the bag in SIN & checkin again as you would have received your QF & SQ boarding passes in PER.
 
Not sure if this helps, but I sent an email to SQ asking if they have an interline agreement with British Airways at Heathrow. The response was basically a no. Figures BA and QF are pretty much the same entity in this case, although not sure about QF's position at the original carrier.

"Dear Mr. Shenos

Thank you for your email.

Please note that we are not in partnership with British Airways and so, we
would not be able to tag your bags to the British Airways flight. Please
collect your bags on arrival in London and check-in separately for the
British Airways flight.

I hope the above is of assistance to you and thank you for choosing
Singapore Airlines.

Yours Sincerely,
Nenty
SIA Australia"


To suggest that two major carrier, e.g. SQ and QF don't have an interline agreement, as this reply from SQ suggests, is nonsence. I don't question the part about not being in partnership, which is true, but I think the word partnership was purposly chosen so as to skirt away from the point of interlining. There are many levels to interlining and the agreements will vary between carriers, the logic being that more the startegic their partnership is, the more comprehensive the interline agreement between them. But most IATA member carriers will interlline baggage from one to another, even if they are not commercial or stretegic partners. And the journey doesn't have to be on the same ticket for the baggage to be through-checked to final destination, although proof of CONFIRMED onward/connecting travel, i.e. the onward ticket will be required at check in to secure baggage through check. As to baggage allowance (when interlining), this is very much regulated by the IATA convention, to which both, SQ and QF subscribe and can therefore collect revenue on each other's behalf. However, all this is a lot of work for a check in person to process for no reward or incentive, and when this other carrier is from the opposition camp on the top of it, why would they bother? So, how to avoid it? Exactly the wat SQ responded so as to throw you off track and discourage you from even attempting. The good old days when these things were done between carriers as a matter of courtesy (knowing that what goes around comes around) are long gone, thanks to the arrival of various alliances. In the old days of travel, what is today possible within one alliance was back then possible within the whole community of IATA member airlines. Not so sure that alliances have brought all that much benefit to the traveller, but they certainly have to the airlines. Anyway, that's a whole new discussion ... To answer your specific question, it's hard to predict how the first check in agent will behave and either accept to through check or not to final destination - I belive they should but power is ultimately in their hands and you won't be able to force them to do it. Either way, with such long transit time, even if you need to collect and re-ckeck your bags, you should be able to do it, assuming no significant delays to your first flight. Do check immigration regulations for transit country though as what would have bee transit in the event of through checked baggage, to collect the baggage mid journey, you will need to enter this transit country. As for the the baggage allowance in the case your bags get through checked, on the second leg you are not entitled to the first carier's allowance and shoudl not expect to get it. If the QF check in agent at the original departure point were to not enforce the second carrier's (SQ's) ticketed allowance (or alternatively collect the excess baggage charges on behalf of SQ), then SQ would most likley bill QF for not collecting, hence why it is easier for airlines to just simply avoid this predicament by claiming they can't interline bags. Hope this is helful to you ...
 
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Interpretation:
To suggest that two major carrier, e.g. SQ and QF don't have an interline agreement, as this reply from SQ suggests, is nonsence.

I don't question the part about not being in partnership, which is true, but I think the word partnership was purposly chosen so as to skirt away from the point of interlining. There are many levels to interlining and the agreements will vary between carriers, the logic being that more the startegic their partnership is, the more comprehensive the interline agreement between them.

But most IATA member carriers will interlline baggage from one to another, even if they are not commercial or stretegic partners. And the journey doesn't have to be on the same ticket for the baggage to be through-checked to final destination, although proof of CONFIRMED onward/connecting travel, i.e. the onward ticket will be required at check in to secure baggage through check.

As to baggage allowance (when interlining), this is very much regulated by the IATA convention, to which both, SQ and QF subscribe and can therefore collect revenue on each other's behalf. However, all this is a lot of work for a check in person to process for no reward or incentive, and when this other carrier is from the opposition camp on the top of it, why would they bother? So, how to avoid it? Exactly the wat SQ responded so as to throw you off track and discourage you from even attempting.

The good old days when these things were done between carriers as a matter of courtesy (knowing that what goes around comes around) are long gone, thanks to the arrival of various alliances. In the old days of travel, what is today possible within one alliance was back then possible within the whole community of IATA member airlines. Not so sure that alliances have brought all that much benefit to the traveller, but they certainly have to the airlines.

Anyway, that's a whole new discussion ... To answer your specific question, it's hard to predict how the first check in agent will behave and either accept to through check or not to final destination - I belive they should but power is ultimately in their hands and you won't be able to force them to do it.

Either way, with such long transit time, even if you need to collect and re-ckeck your bags, you should be able to do it, assuming no significant delays to your first flight. Do check immigration regulations for transit country though as what would have bee transit in the event of through checked baggage, to collect the baggage mid journey, you will need to enter this transit country.

As for the the baggage allowance in the case your bags get through checked, on the second leg you are not entitled to the first carier's allowance and shoudl not expect to get it. If the QF check in agent at the original departure point were to not enforce the second carrier's (SQ's) ticketed allowance (or alternatively collect the excess baggage charges on behalf of SQ), then SQ would most likley bill QF for not collecting, hence why it is easier for airlines to just simply avoid this predicament by claiming they can't interline bags. Hope this is helful to you ...
Of course, it would be different if booked on the on PNR.
 
Actually, what I think the OP can do is this (even if not on the same PNR).
Check in PER for QF.
Arrive in SIN, go straight to the transfer desk and check in for SQ without even clearing immigration / baggage! SQ will arrange for the bags to be retrieved and checked through to MXP.

How I know this is because the Singapore immigration officer asked why I was only going out for a few hours (I said I was going to retrieve baggage to transit) to which she said I didn't really have to go out and could use the transfer desk in future.
 
Actually, what I think the OP can do is this (even if not on the same PNR).
Check in PER for QF.
Arrive in SIN, go straight to the transfer desk and check in for SQ without even clearing immigration / baggage! SQ will arrange for the bags to be retrieved and checked through to MXP.

How I know this is because the Singapore immigration officer asked why I was only going out for a few hours (I said I was going to retrieve baggage to transit) to which she said I didn't really have to go out and could use the transfer desk in future.

Like you wouldn't go to a baker for advice on how to cook meat, you shouldn't listen to an immigration officer on how to check bags. Just because they work at the airport doesn't make them know airline protocols. The immigration officer's statement is only valid on the proviso that bag is through checked. If bag is not through checked you have no option but to collect it in transit port. There is no way in the world that any airline will go searching for your bag and take it to the next carrier unless the bag tag says so. When bag is through checked, it stays on the air-side and is subject to different handling than if it gets to land-side, in which case it is technically no longer in transit and is considered to have arrived into the country, therefore subject to customs and quarantine formalities.
 
To suggest that two major carrier, e.g. SQ and QF don't have an interline agreement, as this reply from SQ suggests, is nonsence.

The email from Singapore Airlines is in response to the question as to whether SQ interline bags to BA but does not expand on whether this is just for separate bookings or whether they would if the SQ & BA flights were in the same booking.

And the journey doesn't have to be on the same ticket for the baggage to be through-checked to final destination, although proof of CONFIRMED onward/connecting travel, i.e. the onward ticket will be required at check in to secure baggage through check.

To answer your specific question, it's hard to predict how the first check in agent will behave and either accept to through check or not to final destination - I belive they should but power is ultimately in their hands and you won't be able to force them to do it.

Whether QF interline bags to SQ or the majority of other IATA carriers is not the whim of the checkin agent as you suggest, there is a policy in place that clearly states that the bags can be interlined to other carriers if in the same booking as long as there is a baggage interline agreement in place.

If the flights are in separate booking bags will not be interlined unless a One World airline - it's as simple as that. Refer to link below for further clarification.

Checking in for connecting flights

To suggest that all you need to do is show the itinerary of the other airline to QF is misleading to people as it sets them up for disappointment.

If the QF check in agent at the original departure point were to not enforce the second carrier's (SQ's) ticketed allowance (or alternatively collect the excess baggage charges on behalf of SQ), then SQ would most likley bill QF for not collecting, hence why it is easier for airlines to just simply avoid this predicament by claiming they can't interline bags. Hope this is helful to you ...

It's not just about about inter-airline accounting in fact I'd say that has precious little to do with it.

The policy came into effect after the Icelandic volcano that caused major disruptions to flights to, from & within Europe. Where QF had interlined bags to other airlines for passengers on separate bookings when it came to rebooking them on new flights it made it extremely difficult for staff to find out what their final destination was as they couldn't access the required information ie flight details or eticket numbers.

The decision was then made that they were happy to still interline to other airlines, however only if those flights were in the same booking. I think this policy is more than reasonable.
 
Like you wouldn't go to a baker for advice on how to cook meat, you shouldn't listen to an immigration officer on how to check bags. Just because they work at the airport doesn't make them know airline protocols. The immigration officer's statement is only valid on the proviso that bag is through checked. If bag is not through checked you have no option but to collect it in transit port. There is no way in the world that any airline will go searching for your bag and take it to the next carrier unless the bag tag says so. When bag is through checked, it stays on the air-side and is subject to different handling than if it gets to land-side, in which case it is technically no longer in transit and is considered to have arrived into the country, therefore subject to customs and quarantine formalities.

Actually, on the balance of probabiities, I think you are wrong on this slaussie...

1/ I remember being in TPE after this incident and now went to CX transfer desk having arrived on a 3K flight. Asked to check in onto a CX onward flignt airside and they were OK to do this but said that as my bags were not checked through from SIN, would take some time for them to get it delivered to CX (45 mins). Told the, maybe it will be faster for me to clear immigration and check in landside

2/ Tried to do this again airside in SIN, this time arrived on SQ and wanted to change to a 3K flight. Transfer agent said sorry we can't process the transfer as 3K doesnt have an interline with SQ, only QF

3/ The SIN immi officer also did ask what airline I was flying in and out of (QF in SQ out) to which she replied the airside transfer could be done in this case but if you were flying budget it could not... Which suggested she did know what she was talking about.

In any case, i have not done a transfer yet per se, but under the right conditions, it does seem that it should be easily done...
 
Actually, on the balance of probabiities, I think you are wrong on this slaussie...

1/ I remember being in TPE after this incident and now went to CX transfer desk having arrived on a 3K flight. Asked to check in onto a CX onward flignt airside and they were OK to do this but said that as my bags were not checked through from SIN, would take some time for them to get it delivered to CX (45 mins). Told the, maybe it will be faster for me to clear immigration and check in landside

2/ Tried to do this again airside in SIN, this time arrived on SQ and wanted to change to a 3K flight. Transfer agent said sorry we can't process the transfer as 3K doesnt have an interline with SQ, only QF

3/ The SIN immi officer also did ask what airline I was flying in and out of (QF in SQ out) to which she replied the airside transfer could be done in this case but if you were flying budget it could not... Which suggested she did know what she was talking about.

In any case, i have not done a transfer yet per se, but under the right conditions, it does seem that it should be easily done...

'Right conditions' are the key operating words here - and the right conditions can up from so many angles. Still, your experience would have to be an exception or can you imagine the chaos this would cause if all passengers would be asking for a personalised search and handling of their bags? Airlines simply couldn't deliver on it, which is why through tagging of baggs has been invented in the first place to make the process of transfer a safe, operationally managable and customer friendly process.
 
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If the flights are in separate booking bags will not be interlined unless a One World airline - it's as simple as that. Refer to link below for further clarification....
It is not as simple as that!

It really depends upon the policy of the airline you check in with, and to a lesser extent, the whim of the check-in Agent.
 
This has been an interesting discussion and has clarified my approach. Being risk averse I'm going to collect my bags, get processed then come back in and check them in for the SQ flight. This is in line with QF's info as posted by Ozbeachbabe that describes my situation exactly.

Please note that your baggage will not be checked through and you will not receive your onward journey boarding pass if you hold two separate reservations for your international trip, where one reservation is with Qantas and the other reservation is with an airline that is neither Qantas nor a oneworld airline. Please allow enough time to collect your baggage at the end of each flight, clear customs and immigration if necessary, transit visa requirements, move between different terminals and re-check in with your next carrier.
 
OBB was basically citing QF's policy.

Other carriers may differ ...

e.g. On check in at SEA with separate tickets SEA-LAX with an AA flight number on AA metal and LAX-xAKL-MEL on NZ our bags we did not see out bags until MEL where they were all out within the first dozen.
 
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