MH earn rate for QFF

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So QF doesn't recognise J or even F SC earn rates on MH - why?
I have seen older post re this about nothing about this makes sense to me at all....
 
Why? Because that's the arrangement.

personally I think QF is basically using poor partner earn, specially MH, to entice people to go with QF directly (noting the poor J earn is on Aus-KL-Europe routes, but much better earn on MH intra-asia routes where QF does not compete).

Basically they want you to fly QF on the kangaroo route rather than much cheaper MH service
 
Max Samuels said:
So QF doesn't recognise J or even F SC earn rates on MH - why?
I have seen older post re this about nothing about this makes sense to me at all....
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They do. Just not on routes where they compete with Qantas (even if only to a small extent)
 
RichardMEL said:
Why? Because that's the arrangement.

personally I think QF is basically using poor partner earn, specially MH, to entice people to go with QF directly (noting the poor J earn is on Aus-KL-Europe routes, but much better earn on MH intra-asia routes where QF does not compete).

Basically they want you to fly QF on the kangaroo route rather than much cheaper MH service
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Yeah yeah I get that. But CX, BA, JL have REDUCED J/F earn rates - MH simply does not have them at all.....
If you fly KUL-LHR on MH in F you only earn Y rates... well that's according to QF's own calculator.
 
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Yeah yeah I get that. But CX, BA, JL have REDUCED J/F earn rates - MH simply does not have them at all.....
If you fly KUL-LHR on MH in F you only earn Y rates... well that's according to QF's own calculator.
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I know. And I have done that (knowing full well).

These are agreements between the two airlines. There may be any number of reasons why. I suspect it has to be something to do wit MH being very low revenue to QFF combined with QF pushing people to their services and more preferred partners (eg: AY gets far more decent earn).

Seems like you were burnt unaware? Always important to research when it comes to partner earn.

PS: MH no longer markets it as F.
 
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Business Suite?
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Yup. It's actually what one would call "mini First" these days.. it's not a F product, but it's very very nice for what it is IMO. Specially for the price. but i digress.

The bottom line with QFF earn is either to accept it, credit to another program (eg: BA) or take one's business elsewhere.
 
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RichardMEL said:
Yup. It's actually what one would call "mini First" these days.. it's not a F product, but it's very very nice for what it is IMO. Specially for the price. but i digress.
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That's true - I have heard good feedback re : business suite. And the other good thing with the re-branding/re-naming is that - some companies which restrict First Class travel can now avail the "business suite" naming to book mini F tickets. Some of the exec's in my previous employer used to book business suite seats, which are essentially mini F seats and NOT just vanilla business class seats

I'm way down the corporate ladder to even imagine that I'd someday fly employer funded J, let alone F :P

RichardMEL said:
The bottom line with QFF earn is either to accept it, credit to another program (eg: BA) or take one's business elsewhere.
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Yes, that's pretty much it ... either you take the reduced earn rates and credit to QFF or make your way to other airlines which might offer better rates ...
 
RichardMEL said:
Seems like you were burnt unaware? Always important to research when it comes to partner earn.

PS: MH no longer markets it as F.
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No - never burnt! Just looking at maybe flying MH... I always check.
I don't know what they market it as, but there are certainly "F" fares that appear as "First Class" inventory, and "J" that appear as "Business Class" via any travel agency or website?
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Yes, MH have not changed the inventory they use (ie: F A P ) but the branding as First went away about a year ago IIRC.

If one goes to the MH website, you can see them listed as Business Suites fares with a decided discount on most other F fares. The other option is book Business and put in for an upgrade (I did this, bid the minimum and was successful every sector I flew).

The real problem with this exercise by MH is in terms of points rewards, as I believe QF (for example) still classes these as First Rewards.. and obviously far more points to redeem than J. Yes, it is a better seat and a slightly better soft product (but not as good as it used to be when branded as full F - as I have flown both versions) but something to watch for.

It's a great way to get to LHR but if one wants to maximise Status Credits and/or points with QF it's not the best from that point of view.

(apologies for the asumption made)
 
RichardMEL said:
Yup. It's actually what one would call "mini First" these days.. it's not a F product, but it's very very nice for what it is IMO. Specially for the price. but i digress.

The bottom line with QFF earn is either to accept it, credit to another program (eg: BA) or take one's business elsewhere.
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Don't be silly! We all know Qantas's latest J seat is what's really known as mini F.
 
RichardMEL said:
...but if one wants to maximise Status Credits and/or points with QF it's not the best from that point of view.

(apologies for the asumption made)
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No - you assumed correctly :-)
However, only 3 months into my FF "year", I have already clocked 700 SCs with QF, not interested at all pursuing P1, so it may not even matter in the end whether I get F SCs or just Y SCs on MH... I was more discussing this as a matter of principle. It goes against the whole OW branding in my opinion.... "member of one, member of all of them" kind of cough that they go on about. It's so loosey-goosey and the earning table is practically impossible to read.
 
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Mini F that charges full F it appears!
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Wait - it seems that MH have sent their work experience kid in yield management back to QF and have adjusted the price in F to a very reasonable $25k...

Meanwhile, someone needs to let the Koreans know that their country is about to be put on the travel ban list... and that $18k for First (half of which is actually in J), is a bit unrealistic....


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Max Samuels said:
Wait - it seems that MH have sent their work experience kid in yield management back to QF and have adjusted the price in F to a very reasonable $25k...

Meanwhile, someone needs to let the Koreans know that their country is about to be put on the travel ban list... and that $18k for First (half of which is actually in J), is a bit unrealistic....


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Korean has dropped their price to $17k since the news of the travel ban... how generous
 
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I still believe the low MH earn is due to the falling out between MH and QF after their “red roo” joint venture didn’t pan out. QF sponsored MH into oneworld, MH didn’t play ball in the asian JV, and QF was very displeased.
 
sxc said:
I still believe the low MH earn is due to the falling out between MH and QF after their “red roo” joint venture didn’t pan out. QF sponsored MH into oneworld, MH didn’t play ball in the asian JV, and QF was very displeased.
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I don't think either airline was in a position to tip the required start up capital in at the time. And I've heard Qantas were quite the bullies in their negotiations....
 
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I still believe the low MH earn is due to the falling out between MH and QF after their “red roo” joint venture didn’t pan out. QF sponsored MH into oneworld, MH didn’t play ball in the asian JV, and QF was very displeased.
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Yeah I forgot about that! That's right - they were all so chummy in the beginning and the redrat was bragging about sponsoring its bestie into OW.... but i suppose with QF's woeful attitude towards its customers, and MH's losing of a couple of aircraft, the business case no longer stacked up? I mean, who would want to fly on airline that gives terrible service AND might actually not arrive at the destination?
 
I don’t really care what the reason but it’s quite poor IMO especially when QF can’t even be bothered servicing ADL internationally then they hit us with a double whammy by giving us a poor SC return if we dare choose one of their OW partners
 
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