More 744s on Domestic fill in duties

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Noted by QF source the 2 class 744 OJB operated 441/452 SYD-MEL-SYD on Wednesday in place of a 763, hopefully we will see more as time goes by and they are freed up from normal duties. I understand they are not the best option but it sure is nice to see something different!
 
Since September 1st, the following domestic flights have been 744 operated:
Code:
17/09/10 OEF 744
  QF577 SYD PER
  QF566 PER SYD

19/09/10 OEI 744
  QF577 SYD PER
  QF566 PER SYD

22/09/10 OEH 744
  QF777 MEL PER
  QF776 PER MEL

23/09/10 OJE 744
  QF777 MEL PER
  QF776 PER MEL

26/09/10 OEF 744
  QF777 MEL PER
  QF776 PER MEL

27/09/10 OEF 744
  QF485 MEL PER
  QF802 PER MEL
  QF481 MEL PER

28/09/10 OEF 744
  QF568 PER SYD
  QF581 SYD PER
  QF582 PER SYD

29/09/10 OEF 744
  QF575 SYD PER
  QF580 PER SYD

30/09/10 OEH 744
  QF581 SYD PER
  QF582 PER SYD

01/10/10 OEH 744
  QF577 SYD PER
  QF566 PER SYD

03/10/10 OEB 744
  QF577 SYD PER
  QF566 PER SYD

13/10/10 OJB 744
  QF441 SYD MEL
  QF452 MEL SYD
 
Wish it was a bit more predictable!! :)

Anyone have any idea how much 'notice' the changes are getting?
 
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Wish it was a bit more predictable!! :)

I think the 744's between PER and MEL had to do with the AFL Grand final, but I believe one of the 333's (QPI) went AWOL so that may explain the other flights between SYD/MEL-PER
 
And the Fog at MEL on wednesday morning may explain the SYD/MEL runs.
 
And the Fog at MEL on wednesday morning may explain the SYD/MEL runs.
It was not so much fog as extremely low level cloud (off the ground) with heavy drizzle.

MEL registered 2mm of precipitation Wednesday morning.
 
It was not so much fog as extremely low level cloud (off the ground) with heavy drizzle.

MEL registered 2mm of precipitation Wednesday morning.

I flew in on Wednesday morning. Whilst I wasn't in my normal seat, it looked very much like fog from where I was sitting.

None of these 744 flights were preplanned...the rosters contain no mention of them.
 
For a 4.40PM arrival? Most of the backlog was cleared by noon.

They did they did move me off the late flight to ADL onto QF 743, which was delayed until 7:30pm due to problems in MEL according to the J lounge person.
 
I flew in on Wednesday morning. Whilst I wasn't in my normal seat, it looked very much like fog from where I was sitting.

None of these 744 flights were preplanned...the rosters contain no mention of them.
Most of the morning the upper floors of high buildings were not visible while the lower floors were.

In any case, cloud, whether as fog or low cloud base had the same effect on flights.
 
It was not so much fog as extremely low level cloud (off the ground) with heavy drizzle.

MEL registered 2mm of precipitation Wednesday morning.

It always amazes me this affects flight ops. Everywhere else (important) has cat 3 navs..


Is it the cost we don't have it here? I have heard though that Mel has commenced something in this area?

Cheers. Spruce
 
In any case, cloud, whether as fog or low cloud base had the same effect on flights.

Not quite. Low cloud, as long as it is above the coughpit height, may preclude you from landing off an approach, but, in general, as soon as you break out of the cloud, the visibility is acceptable for the landing. But, in the case of low vis ops, the cloud can actually go all the way to the ground.

Visibility, on the other hand, is always required to some degree (though as little as 75 metres for my low vis ops) and can be reduced by a number of factors. Fog, heavy rain, smoke.

Taxiing in the other morning, there was appreciable ground fog, and vis was certainly reduced, although at the time we landed I'd expect it was still quite patchy. It went lower by the time I got out of the terminal.

Melbourne does have a Cat II/III approach, but it is currently out of service. Rumour has it that someone cut the power to the high intensity approach lighting (which is mandatory for low vis ops).

The availability of the low vis approaches only avoids diversions if the conditions are forecast. Contrary to popular opinion, aircraft do not arrive in Melbourne with diversion fuel to Sydney or Adelaide as a matter of course, but will only do so if required. Having a Cat III will allow you to land off the approach, but you can't actually start it unless you have the diversion fuel. So, if the fog is unforecast, you will still need to divert, Cat III or not.

Low vis, autocoupled, approaches are only of use in foggy conditions. They are useless if it's a windy day.
 
Thnxs jb747, very informative

I remember that qf 330 from sin to per who made an emergency landing below minimums due to no fuel for alternative airports as fog rolled in unexpectedly.

These instruments are even important in perth! I don't believe Perth is cat 3 though.

Cheers spruce
 
It would be a blessing to see 744s on SYD-BNE routes occasionally.

Not likely to happen anytime soon though.
 
I am grateful for the odd 767
There are actually quite a few 767s operating on the SYD-BNE route.

I specifically book flights operated by a 767 even if means I have to leave earlier or later than the desired time. And I hate it when QF substitutes 737s.
 
There are actually quite a few 767s operating on the SYD-BNE route.

I specifically book flights operated by a 767 even if means I have to leave earlier or later than the desired time. And I hate it when QF substitutes 737s.

Sorry John, usually out of Mel, hence my comment. Usually 737.

cheers

spruce
 
as searching for MEL-BNE flights .

If only, a 763 would be great, or even better an A330. Instead it's all 734 and 738s. I've not seen a 763 or any other non-737 QF aircraft on this route in the three years i've been travelling it (semi-) regularly.

For the pedantic out there: not saying it hasnt happened, but it's pretty rare IMO.
 
If only, a 763 would be great, or even better an A330. Instead it's all 734 and 738s. I've not seen a 763 or any other non-737 QF aircraft on this route in the three years i've been travelling it (semi-) regularly.

For the pedantic out there: not saying it hasnt happened, but it's pretty rare IMO.

I have had it twice out of the 5 times I have flown BNE-MEL, 627 and 604 are mostly 763 during the week.
 
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