Qantas steals 4 flights from DONE4

[russianrob]

Got caught by surprise today when told not only had Qantas put up the price 4%, but had reduced the max flights from 20 down to 16. At the $200 per segment they charge for additional flights that's $800! Talk about price gouging. Not happy Jan.

 

[Dave Noble]

The reduction of sectors down to 16 was announced a fair while back. I wouldn't be booking through Qantas for an ATW ticket anyway and popping to AA ATW desk

Dave

 

[aus_flyer]

Got caught by surprise today when told not only had Qantas put up the price 4%, but had reduced the max flights from 20 down to 16. At the $200 per segment they charge for additional flights that's $800! Talk about price gouging. Not happy Jan.

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that you can buy the additional sectors for $200 each, but you can't.

 

[NM]

Why are you blaming Qantas for the change? This is a OneWorld product and the rules are consistent for all OneWorld airlines selling the product. If anyone other than OneWorld is to blame it is IATA who are the ones imposing the enforced migration to e-ticketing. Its apparently very difficult to get the e-ticketing systems to go beyond 16 sectors.

 

[Platy]

Why are you blaming Qantas for the change?

Perhaps the rude roo needs to improve its communication with its customers and be clearer about upcoming changes. They certainly behaved atrociously the one time I tried to book a atw ticket...

 

[russianrob]

Point taken that all One World Airlines will be the same, but an effective 20% loss in value on top of all the latest Fare/Fee increases seems above and beyond even for the Roo!
Does it still work out much cheaper with AA? as I see the've been ramping their fees also.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

Point taken that all One World Airlines will be the same, but an effective 20% loss in value on top of all the latest Fare/Fee increases seems above and beyond even for the Roo!

I believe that QANTAS is paying about $2 billion a year extra for fuel next year. The fare increases pale in comparison to the extra cost of fuel. It now costs (according to news reports today) over $350,000 to fly a QANTAS 747 from SYD to LHR (and obviously the same amount flying back). That's a lot of extra cost, compared to a year ago (and two years ago)

 

[aus_flyer]

It now costs (according to news reports today) over $350,000 to fly a QANTAS 747 from SYD to LHR (and obviously the same amount flying back).

Yes, but fuel certainly doesn't account for all of that.

 

[thegurio]

This is a fascinating thought - Fuel wise, how much does it cost to get a 747 from SYD to LHR as compared to a 380?

Or for that matter from SYD/MEL or HBA/ADL etc.

I think i remember seeing somewhere where they get a around 5 to 6 litres per 100?

 

[simongr]

Point taken that all One World Airlines will be the same, but an effective 20% loss in value on top of all the latest Fare/Fee increases seems above and beyond even for the Roo!

You still seem to be missing the point that the most recent changes are not the fault of QF. The underlying issue of very high fuel surcharges is QF's fault but this is nothing new.

 

[ozscot]

I think i remember seeing somewhere where they get a around 5 to 6 litres per 100?

No that's not right. That would get you MEL-SYD for 40 odd litres!

HowStuffWorks says it's more like 12L / km. Around 3 or 4L every second.

 

[oz_mark]

This is a fascinating thought - Fuel wise, how much does it cost to get a 747 from SYD to LHR as compared to a 380?

Or for that matter from SYD/MEL or HBA/ADL etc.

I think i remember seeing somewhere where they get a around 5 to 6 litres per 100?

I remember seeing a statistic like this, but think it was qualified by saying something along the lines of per person on the aircraft.

 

[dot]

No that's not right. That would get you MEL-SYD for 40 odd litres!

HowStuffWorks says it's more like 12L / km. Around 3 or 4L every second.

I think the stats thegurio was recalling were l/100km/pax which - depending on the aircraft - could be about right. For instance if we look at a QF 744 (seating 343) if we take 5l/100km/pax, that's 1715l /100km for the whole aircraft, which is 17.2 l/km which is not miles away from 12l/km and obviously heavily dependent on the aircraft type and the number of pax it can carry.

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I think Airbus have been saying that the A380 is cheaper than the average car on a litres per pax per km basis - I think 5 to 6l per 100km would fit that description.
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[AnonymousCoward]

Yes, but fuel certainly doesn't account for all of that.

No, I believe that figure was the fuel bill. They cited a comparision with 15 (or 18 months previously) where the bill was about $220,000.

In any case, doesn't fuel make up about 60%+ of the cost of running an airline these days? So, if we strip out the management overhead etc, then fuel must be an even bigger % of the cost of actually flying a plane somewhere (like 80%+ or something)