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Qantas and Emirates today unveiled details of benefits that will be available to frequent flyers through their proposed partnership.
The partnership, which remains subject to regulatory approval, is designed to offer customers a seamless travel experience across one of the world’s largest networks.
Some of the key benefits that Qantas Frequent Flyer and Emirates Skywards members will be able to access for travel from 31 March 2013 are:
- Earn Qantas Frequent Flyer points or Emirates Skywards Miles on Emirates and Qantas flights (with some exceptions for Emirates Skywards members on the Qantas domestic network).
- An expanded network for members of each program to earn Qantas Status credits and Status bonus or Skywards Tier Miles and Tier bonus.
- Redeem points/Miles on any part of the Qantas or Emirates network – a combined total of more than 175 destinations worldwide.
- Access to both Qantas and Emirates lounges for Gold members (or above) of either program in Australia, Europe, Asia, the Middle East and North Africa.
- Have their tier status in either program recognised with both airlines when flying on the joint Qantas-Emirates network (where available).
Chief Executive of Qantas Loyalty, Lesley Grant, said the benefits announced today would give frequent flyers of either airline the opportunity to earn and redeem points or Miles across a massive network.
“Our shared goal has been to offer Qantas and Emirates customers the best global network, flying the largest combined A380 fleet and supported by the best rewards for our frequent flyers,” said Ms Grant.
“Both airlines already offer some of the highest quality travel experiences, including our lounges and loyalty benefits, so this is about bringing together the best of both worlds,” she added.
Thierry Antinori, Emirates’ Executive Vice President, Passenger Sales Worldwide said: ”It is an exciting time to be an Emirates Skywards member, yesterday we announced Platinum – our new tier, which has been developed to enhance the travel experience for frequent travellers and to offer additional benefits to Emirates Skywards members who have earned over 150,000 Tier Miles in a year.
“Now today we are unveiling the wide range of benefits that our members can enjoy as part of the Emirates and Qantas partnership,” added Mr Antinori.
Emirates and Qantas have also announced their shared baggage policy on certain routes for travel from 31 March 2013. To enable a more seamless experience as customers travel on the joint network, Qantas will move from a piece and weight system, to a weight system, for all international flights – excluding those to/from the Americas. As part of this alignment, Emirates will increase its pre-purchase excess baggage discount to 30 per cent
Eligible Qantas Frequent Flyers, Qantas Club members and Skywards members will enjoy additional allowances when travelling across the joint network.

More detail on the benefits available to Qantas Frequent Flyer and Emirates Skywards Members, as well as eligibility criteria, are outlined in the facts below.

Qantas & Emirates Partnership Frequent Flyer Facts
Please note: The Qantas and Emirates partnership, and Qantas flights to Dubai, are subject to regulatory approvals. This information applies to travel from 31 March 2013. For updates please visit qantas.com/qantasandemirates.
Earning points
- Both Qantas Frequent Flyers and Emirates Skywards members will earn either Qantas Frequent Flyer points or Skywards miles on all flights on the joint Qantas-Emirates network – with the exception that Skywards members can only earn miles on Qantas domestic flights* that are part of an international journey with Qantas or Emirates.
- The earn rate for points/miles will be different depending on the fare purchased and the airline flight number on the ticket.
Earning status credits/tier miles
- Both Qantas Frequent Flyers and Emirates Skywards members can earn status credits/tier miles and status bonus/tier bonus on the flight number of the airline they have their frequent flyer membership with.
Redeeming points
- From 31 March 2013, Qantas Frequent Flyers can use their points to redeem a Qantas Classic Award flight on Emirates services and Emirates Skywards members can use their miles to redeem a Skywards Saver Reward flight on Qantas services, subject to availability.
- In many instances, the number of points Qantas Frequent Flyer members will need to book a Classic Award flight on a Qantas or Emirates flight will be the same.
Classic Award on Qantas flights/ Upgrade with Points
- Classic Award flights must be booked on a Qantas flight number on Qantas operated aircraft
- Qantas Frequent Flyers can use their points to upgrade eligible commercial fares when booked on the Qantas flight number on Qantas operated aircraft
Classic Award on Emirates flights / Upgrade with Points
- Classic Award flights must be booked on an Emirates flight number on an Emirates operated aircraft
- Qantas Frequent Flyers cannot use their points to upgrade when booked on the Emirates flight number on Qantas operated aircraft

Lounge access

- For travel from 31 March 2013 Platinum One, Platinum and Gold Qantas Frequent Flyers will have access to the Emirates lounges where available across Australia, Europe, Asia, North Africa and the Middle East.
- In Dubai, Platinum One and Platinum Frequent Flyers will have access to the Emirates First Lounges and Gold Frequent Flyers will have access to the Emirates Business Lounges.
- Qantas Club members can continue to access the Qantas lounges across the Qantas network as well as the Emirates Business Lounge in Dubai and the American Airlines Admirals Club in London when flying Qantas or Emirates between Australia, Dubai and London.
- Reciprocal lounge access is not permitted for the Americas, New Zealand or South Africa.

Tier Benefits

- Existing tiered member benefits including priority check-in, priority waitlist and fast track through immigration (where available) offered by the operating carrier will be extended to the other carrier's frequent flyer members.
Dubai Connect
- Qantas will introduce Dubai Connect, matching Emirates’ long stop over service in Dubai, which provides customers with complimentary hotel accommodation, transfers, meals and visa costs where their connection time is greater than six hours and less than 24 hours for First and Business passengers or greater than eight hours and less than 24 hours for Premium Economy and Economy passengers, and where there is no earlier scheduled connection available. More information, including eligibility requirements, will be available shortly from qantas.com.
Chauffeur Drive
- Chauffeur Drive will be offered to Qantas First and Business travellers on services between Australia, Dubai and London from 31 March 2013. Elsewhere on the Qantas network, Chauffeur Drive will be available on flights greater than 12 hours from July 2013 – namely, flights between Australian and Los Angeles, Dallas, New York, Santiago and Johannesburg.
- Passengers will be collected in a luxury vehicle and driven to the airport to meet their flight. On arrival at their destination, they will be met by another chauffeur service and driven to their hotel, office or home. More information, including mileage restrictions and eligibility requirements, will be available shortly from qantas.com.
Baggage Policy
- To enable a more seamless experience as customers travel on the joint network, Qantas will move from a piece and weight system, to a weight system, for all international flights – excluding those to/from the Americas. Regardless of whether a customer is travelling on Qantas or Emirates on international flights between and within Europe, Asia, North Africa, the Middle East and Australia, their overall baggage allowance will be the same (with the exception of sporting goods or infant allowances). See baggage policy table on next page.
Baggage Policy Table
For more information please refer to http://www.qantas.com/baggage
Please note: Qantas Frequent Flyers Customers booked on the piece system (pre 26 February 2013) and travelling from 31 March 2013 will still have their additional Frequent Flyer allowances honoured on both QF and EK services (‘EK services’ are limited to international flights between and within Europe, the Middle East, North Africa, Asia and Australia).
* ‘Qantas flight’ does not include codeshare flights with other airline partners, unless otherwise indicated.

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Sounds like what I was expecting really e.g. no upgrades on EK using QF points. Lounge access is as expected.

Good to see a nice fluffy addition of 'Chauffeur Drive' - from my recollection this is a new benefit for Qantas.

Not sure about the baggage policy - maybe some of the QF sages here can comment on if this is an enhancement or a 'enhancement'
 
Excess:

For tickets issued:- Before 2 May 2012 (regardless of travel date); or
- From 26 February 2013 for travel on or after 31 March 2013:^^

[TABLE="class: basic"]
[TR]
[TH]Destination[/TH]
[TH="width: 50%"]Cost for each kg (AUD)[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]International - between Australia and New Zealand, New Caledonia & Papua New Guinea[/TD]
[TD]$15 per kg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD]International - between Australia and Asia[/TD]
[TD]$30 per kg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]International - between Australia and Dubai[/TD]
[TD]$50 per kg[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt last"]
[TD]International - between Australia and South Africa, and Europe[/TD]
[TD]$60 per kg[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
From the QF earning table:
[TABLE="class: basic, width: 760"]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]Emirates (EK)*[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]BGHKLMQTUVX[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]Discount Economy[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 3"]0.50[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 5"] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]ERYW[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]Economy[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 3"]1[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 5"] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]CIJO[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]Business[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 3"]1[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 5"]25%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]AFP[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]First[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 3"]1[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 5"]50%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 10"]Excluded: Points are not earned on Codeshare Flights operated by an airline other than Qantas.
* Points can only be earned on flights with an EK flight number for travel on or after 31 March 2013, subject to regulatory approvals.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Terms & Conditions
 
Baggage Allowances:

For tickets issued:

- From 26 February 2013 for travel on or after 31 March 2013+
[TABLE="class: basic"]
[TR]
[TH]Travel Class/Membership Status
[/TH]
[TH]Allowance
[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Economy
[/TD]
[TD]30kg (66lb)
Exceptions:
2 pieces at 23kg (50lb) each on QF4021/4022/4023/4024/4025/4026 between Singapore-Narita and Singapore-Haneda
1 piece at 23kg (50lb) on QF3874/3875 between Singapore-Helsinki
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD]Premium Economy
[/TD]
[TD]40kg (88lb)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Business
[/TD]
[TD]40kg (88lb)
Exceptions:
3 pieces at 32kg (70lb) each on QF4021/4022/4023/4024/4025/4026 between Singapore-Narita and Singapore-Haneda
2 pieces at 23kg (50lb) on QF3874/3875 between Singapore-Helsinki
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD]First
[/TD]
[TD]50kg (110lb)
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Qantas Club members and Silver Qantas Frequent Flyers
[/TD]
[TD]42kg (92lb) in Economy
52kg (114lb) in Premium Economy and Business
62kg (136lb) in First
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD]Gold Qantas Frequent Flyers
[/TD]
[TD]46kg (101lb) in Economy
56kg (123lb) in Premium Economy and Business
66kg (145lb) in First
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: last"]
[TD]Platinum/Platinum One Qantas Frequent Flyers
[/TD]
[TD]50kg (110lb) in Economy
60kg (132lb) in Premium Economy and Business
70kg (154lb) in First

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
55. As a oneworld member will I have access to the Emirates Lounge?

[FONT=QF Spirit,QF Spirit][FONT=QF Spirit,QF Spirit]For travel on/after 31 March 2013, Emerald and Sapphire
[/FONT]
[/FONT]one[FONT=QF Spirit,QF Spirit][FONT=QF Spirit,QF Spirit]world members booked and ticketed to travel on a Qantas (QF) operated flight with Qantas (QF) flight number will have access to Emirates Lounges in Dubai. Emerald [/FONT][/FONT]one[FONT=QF Spirit,QF Spirit][FONT=QF Spirit,QF Spirit]world members will have access to the Emirates First Lounges and Sapphire [/FONT][/FONT]one[FONT=QF Spirit,QF Spirit][FONT=QF Spirit,QF Spirit]world members will have access the Emirates Business Lounges. [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=QF Spirit,QF Spirit][FONT=QF Spirit,QF Spirit][/FONT][/FONT]
 
I hate to keep complaining about the PER situation, but now that EK is handling the connection to DXB from PER, it seems like a massive degradation of benefits for PER pax. No upgrades, horrendous overweight fees, reduced luggage allowance. Not to mention 10 abreast in Y.

What ever happened to "we've agreed to make the higher benefit our standard"?
 
Baggage is a potential improvement with the move back to a weight system. (Remember that discussion?) I can't really read the posted baggage allowances using the phone app.
 
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Good to see a nice fluffy addition of 'Chauffeur Drive' - from my recollection this is a new benefit for Qantas.

Not sure about the baggage policy - maybe some of the QF sages here can comment on if this is an enhancement or a 'enhancement'

Chauffeur Drive was announced when the tie up was announced as it was to match the service provided by EK.

Re the baggage allowance - this is a tricky one. I think I prefer a weight based system as it is sometimes easier to have more bags.

On my upcoming trip (booked prior to this) my allowance will be (in J):

Me - (WP) - 3 x 32KG
Mrs - (PS) 3 x 32KG
Boy - (NB) 3 x 32KG

So all up nine bags for a whopping 288KG

Now it would be

Me - 60KG
Mrs - 52KG
Boy - 40KG

Total 152KG

So a drop of 130KG! However more bags allowed...

The big thing for me though is that I will get the QF limit on my EK flight I have yet to book.
 
From the QF earning table:
[TABLE="class: basic, width: 760"]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]Emirates (EK)*[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]BGHKLMQTUVX[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]Discount Economy[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 3"]0.50[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 5"] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]ERYW[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]Economy[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 3"]1[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 5"] -[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]CIJO[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]Business[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 3"]1[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 5"]25%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]AFP[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9"]First[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 3"]1[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 5"]50%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR="class: alt"]
[TD="bgcolor: #F9F9F9, colspan: 10"]Excluded: Points are not earned on Codeshare Flights operated by an airline other than Qantas.
* Points can only be earned on flights with an EK flight number for travel on or after 31 March 2013, subject to regulatory approvals.[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


Frequent Flyer - About the Program - Terms & Conditions
Note that 'status credits are earned' note is missing, so no SC on EK flight numbers (to be expected). Not a bad points earn rate though.

Like the 42kg for silver FF although to be honest, the piece system is far less annoying and costly to PAX I find. Good for that second bag of shopping from Asia though. If you can get on a QF flight.................
 
Lounge access- For travel from 31 March 2013 Platinum One, Platinum and Gold Qantas Frequent Flyers will have access to the Emirates lounges where available across Australia, Europe, Asia, North Africa and the Middle East.
- In Dubai, Platinum One and Platinum Frequent Flyers will have access to the Emirates First Lounges and Gold Frequent Flyers will have access to the Emirates Business Lounges.

This! 100% this. So where are the naysayer stating the WP will not be allowed in the F lounge?
 
This! 100% this. So where are the naysayer stating the WP will not be allowed in the F lounge?

Dwelling in their never-ending pessimism and negativity ??

That's exactly the problem when people just make things up - they look stupid when the real details are announced!
 
Sounds like what I was expecting really e.g. no upgrades on EK using QF points. Lounge access is as expected.

The wording is a bit unclear.. it only says:

- Qantas Frequent Flyers cannot use their points to upgrade when booked on the Emirates flight number on Qantas operated aircraft

Which doesn't say you can't upgrade on EK metal on either an EK or QF number. Unless i missed another part?
 
Correct, no upgrades on EK - but you can get Classic Awards on EK metal, which is a bonus.

Re the upgrades, bein pedantic it doesn't actually say no upgrades on EK. It says no upgrades on EK flight numbers operated by Qantas. It is silent about EK on EK metal. However, I expect that there are no upgrades for EK on EK metal.
 
In Dubai, Platinum One and Platinum Frequent Flyers will have access to the Emirates First Lounges and Gold Frequent Flyers will have access to the Emirates Business Lounges.

This! 100% this. So where are the naysayer stating the WP will not be allowed in the F lounge?

I'm thrilled to have been proven wrong on this. Having spent about three hours in the EK F lounge in DXB in January (post 10, I was sure Qantas Platinums would not be welcome. This is very, very pleasing.

Baggage Allowances . . .

With the new Emerald baggage allowance a WP would presumably get 20kgs on top of the 50kgs in Y.
 
Dwelling in their never-ending pessimism and negativity ??

That's exactly the problem when people just make things up - they look stupid when the real details are announced!

In was conjecture rather than stated fact.

Nothing wrong with conjecture and it helps discussion, who knows where that discussion is heeded if at all, but a look at the members who read the thread makes of interesting reading in itself, even if most were laughing at the prospect.
 
Lounge access
- Reciprocal lounge access is not permitted for the Americas, New Zealand or South Africa.
Does this mean reciprocal access in Australia - less relevant for SYD, MEL (at least for Plats), but potentially better for PER, BNE

- Qantas Club members can continue to access the Qantas lounges across the Qantas network as well as the Emirates Business Lounge in Dubai and the American Airlines Admirals Club in London when flying Qantas or Emirates between Australia, Dubai and London
Good to see that Qantas Club members are being looked after whether on QF or EK.
Interesting that AA has come to the party in LHR - I wonder if this signals BA closing its T3 lounges ??
 
Re the upgrades, bein pedantic it doesn't actually say no upgrades on EK. It says no upgrades on EK flight numbers operated by Qantas. It is silent about EK on EK metal. However, I expect that there are no upgrades for EK on EK metal.
I agree (unfortunately)

In was conjecture rather than stated fact..
Some would call it scaremongering rather than conjecture (conjecture normally has some basis for the statement)
 
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