Quick stink test question re LAN codeshare

[Happy Dude]

Does a LAN flight number earn QF points/SCs for a flight on QF metal?

There's about $1k cheaper difference buying from LAN, relative to buying from QF. Flying BNE - GRU (Sao Paulo).

 

[bismarck]

Does a LAN flight number earn QF points/SCs for a flight on QF metal?

There's about $1k cheaper difference buying from LAN, relative to buying from QF. Flying BNE - GRU (Sao Paulo).

At half the rate from memory (part of simpler and fairer).

 

[eminere]

As a oneworld airline yes they do, but at a reduced earning rate for both points and status credits. Calculator HERE.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Apart from simpler and fairer, or fairer and simpler, or what ever QF decided to call it, from later on this year, you might already know, on the cheaper fares, the points earnt will drop to 0.25 per mile flown.
So sad.
Tip is, to fly the LAN flight, if its on the Australian - New Zealand sector, or all the way to Santiago, is to fly the LAN plane with a QF flight number, so you will earn more points per mile flown, and also more SC.
Edit: I see, you want to save that Aud$1000... umm, for this "benefit", you will have to be satisfied earning much less than if you were to fly a QF flight number BNE to AKL, rathan than a LAN flight number flight.

 

[Happy Dude]

Thanks all. Loyalty isn't cheap and just isn't worth it after 6 June according to the earning tables.

I think the calculator needs a'fixin.

Discount economy on, say, 16 June between SYD and SCL on LAN earns 7063 points and 20 SCs. Same date, route on QF earns 3750 points and 40 SCs. Nothing changes for a pre-6 June date.

I'm assuming the choice of carrier drop-down list refers to the flight code, ie LA means the LAN codeshare etc, and not the metal.

 

[serfty]

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I'm assuming the choice of carrier drop-down list refers to the flight code, ie LA means the LAN codeshare etc, and not the metal.

Correct ...

AKA "Marketing Carrier".

 

[Canny man]

It's a pain when the price disparity is to big to ignore. Same metal, same seat, same class but $1000 cheaper. This has happened to me on the Joburg route as well as SCL.

It's a shame airlines won't price match like most other vendors.

 

[dumdidum]

Sorry if I could just hijack this thread for a moment.

Im flying LA807 direct from Santiago to Sydney, it seems it's operated by Qantas, but on LAN codeshare hence the flight number.

Would I be better off in terms of taxes, in flying the SCL -> AKL -> SYD route on LAN metal instead?? I wonder how much the difference is....

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Try to get a QF code if you can do that at all cost, if you can afford it.
If you want to earn more SC, yes, go via AKL, stop overnight and at least get a QF flight number from AKL to SYD, to earn 20/25/40/80/90 SC depending on class of travel.
I would say plane does not matter in SC earn, its the flight number thats important, and I am sure you know, these days, SC is much more valuable than miles earnt.
IF QF had allowed the same SC earn for flying LAN & QF, I would say fly the whole hog on LA807, but since Jul 14 changes and more recently, flying a LAN flight number is now worthless, SC wise.

 

[juddles]

...., go via AKL,.....

I do this trans-Pacific thing a bit, and although I cannot recall right now the details, there may be a "loophole" in the new charts if you fly from AKL to SCL rather than SYD-SCL. The charts have a very low SC earn for east coast Aust to Sth America, but the NZ-Sth America is not specified, so falls into "other" (ie much better) earn for a codeshare. To use this you need to fly QF to NZ, then onwards on LAN. It does not work on LAN metal SYD-AKL-SCL as that is all the same flight number.

Sorry, does this make any sense??

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Dumdidum is coming the other way around though.

 

[juddles]

.... Calculator ....

I just played with the calculator, just the BNE-SCL part (too tired to do thru to GRU)

There are three sensible ways to get to SCL from BNE, (1) fly BNE-SYD on QF metal, then SYD-SCL direct on QF metal (2) fly BNE-SYD on QF metal, then SYD-AKL-SCL on LAN metal, and (3) fly BNE-AKL on QF metal and then AKL-SCL on LAN metal.

Due to expansion of codeshares, all these flights can be sold as either LAN or QF tickets (they recently added certain Australian QF metal domestic flights like SYD-BNE as LAN codeshares)

In my experience you will never come near to LAN pricing with Qantas. But what some sites might allow (which is what I do) is to get flights that ticket the main flight as LAN with the domestic Aussie leg ticketed as QF, or the AKL-BNE segments as QF.

Assuming Discount Y for all travel: (and using the calculator provided by eminere, except for LAN ticket BNE-AKL, which I got from the dreaded "Tables")

1.- Flying BNE-SYD-SCL on QF ticket = 10+40 = 50 SC

2.- BNE-AKL-SCL on QF tickets = 20 + 35 = 55 SC

3.- BNE-AKL-SCL on LAN tickets = 10 + 35 = 45 SC

4.- BNE-SYD-SCL on LAN ticket = 10 + 20 = 30 SC

5.- BNE-AKL on QF ticket and AKL-SCL on LAN ticket = 20 + 35 = 55 SC (this is all within one ticket purchase, they are not separate actual tickets)

So what does all this mean? Do what I do and use an online ticket service like expedia/vayama/cheaptickets/etc and you should easily get a choice where the BNE-AKL sector is ticketed as "QF" and the AKL-SCL is ticketed on LAN. You get more SC that way than buying a QF ticket on QF metal all the way via SYD!!!!! Perhaps not what the Table guru's intended, but it works for me.

 

[juddles]

Dumdidum is coming the other way around though.

re dumdidum's tax question, I have no idea.

But doing that SCL-SYD route is a real bummer SC-wise on LAN ticket (20 vs 40 SC, or 55 SC doing AKL trick)


BTW, does anyone know of a worse earn rate for Qantas metal than SCL-SYD?

20 SC for a 14.5 hour flight!! :O

 

[benz]

We have just booked to go from NZ to Brail at Xmas (AKL - SCL -GRU) and it was a no brainer. Flying the same LAN metal with a LAN ticket was $1000 cheaper than Qantas and (in economy or discount economy) provides up to twice the QFF points and the same SC as a Qantas ticket.

eg AKL - SCL with a LAN ticket in discount economy earns 6014 points and 35 SC
AKL - SCL with a Qantas ticket in discount economy earns 2900 points and 35 SC

makes no sense to me, but there you go LAN it is

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

NOT the same.
After Jun the rates of earning QF FF points and QF SC flying LA drops.
The calculator at the QF website probably wont take into account the new basis till later.
Cheaper by a thousand Nzd$ is a plus, but dont count on QF FF points and QF SC after about 06 Jun.
Relevant for the cheaper classes flying LA as a QF FF member.

 

[juddles]

NOT the same.
After Jun the rates of earning QF FF points and QF SC flying LA drops.
The calculator at the QF website probably wont take into account the new basis till later.
Cheaper by a thousand Nzd$ is a plus, but dont count on QF FF points and QF SC after about 06 Jun.
Relevant for the cheaper classes flying LA as a QF FF member.

What change is coming next month??? Wasn't aware of this!

 

[eminere]

What change is coming next month??? Wasn't aware of this!

Here you go: Airline Partners - LAN