SC earn on LAN

[vt]

Hi all,

Just been looking at SYD-SCl flight. With QF321, you would earn, 45SCs, but what number of SCs would you get if the flight number was LA800?

Given that LAN does not have discounted economy, would you get full SC earn with the LA800 flight number?

Thanks for your help.

 

[JohnK]

I will take a stab at it and say that you will get only get discount economy SC's unless you paid for a full economy ticket (Y). I am sure I will be corrected by someone!

Airline Earning Table

Looking at the above table for LAN classes BGHKLMNOQSVWY are defined as economy but these would not be full economy SC's earn. I would say that only Y would be full economy and possibly BHK as well. They would only list any discount economy classes in the above table separately if the FF points earned would be less than 1 FF point per mile flown.

 

[serfty]

I will take a stab at it and say that you will get only get discount economy SC's unless you paid for a full economy ticket (Y). I am sure I will be corrected by someone!

Airline Earning Table

Looking at the above table for LAN classes BGHKLMNOQSVWY are defined as economy but these would not be full economy SC's earn. I would say that only Y would be full economy and possibly BHK as well. They would only list any discount economy classes in the above table separately if the FF points earned would be less than 1 FF point per mile flown.

Nup!

For that table, "Economy" gets Economy SC's; "Discount Economy" gets ½ the Economy SC's. You will see entries elsewhere in the table the specifically state "Discount Economy". There are none for LAN.

As BGHKLMNOQSVWY are all defined as "Economy" in the table for LAN you get 'Full' Economy SC's for these booking classes.

 

[JohnK]

Nup!

For that table, "Economy" gets Economy SC's; "Discount Economy" gets ½ the Economy SC's. You will see entries elsewhere in the table the specifically state "Discount Economy". There are none for LAN.

As BGHKLMNOQSVWY are all defined as "Economy" in the table for LAN you get 'Full' Economy SC's for these booking classes.

Nup!

Look at Finnair in the table, the same situation as LAN yet you only get "Discount Economy" for most classes other than true "Full Economy" like Y and possibly BHK.

I would then say that Finnair and LAN would be treated the same.

I had my shot so I will now leave it to someone who is certain.

 

[Dave Noble]

Other than for QF flights within Australia, *only* Y class earns full Economy Status credits

Economy fare bases BGHKLMNOQSVWY will earn 100% FF miles based on actual miles flown ( with no min earning )

Dave

 

[Mal]

yep, the QFxx_x number means that you are going to get SC's according to the Qantas flights table.

If you want the LA credits, then book it as the LA flight, not the QF flight.

 

[vt]

so at the end of the day, posting to QFF,
QF321 would earn 45sc

and LA800 would earn ??sc

 

[Dave Noble]

so at the end of the day, posting to QFF,
QF321 would earn 45sc

and LA800 would earn ??sc

LA800 would ean exactly the same. It would earn at the discount economy rate and so earn 45 ( assuming you are booked in one of the eligable booking classes as listed earler )

Dave

 

[aus_flyer]

SC will be the same.

Also, worth noting that if you have any QF status, book the QF flight number as you will get status bonus

 

[robertz]

Im going to have to agree with 'serfty' on this one.

There isnt anywhere, where it says 'Discount Economy' for LAN. So to me , its full Economy SC's for eligible booking classes. ie 90sc's

I might be a bit slow, but cannot see anywhere where it says LAN booked and metal in BGHKLMNOQSVWY would get anything else.

Rob

 

[Dave Noble]

Im going to have to agree with 'serfty' on this one.

There isnt anywhere, where it says 'Discount Economy' for LAN. So to me , its full Economy SC's for eligible booking classes. ie 90sc's

I might be a bit slow, but cannot see anywhere where it says LAN booked and metal in BGHKLMNOQSVWY would get anything else.

Rob

You are joining the losing side though.

It specifically states that for Status Credit earning that only Y earns full status credit earning on international flights. The mileage earning of discount etc is separate to this.

e.g. BA H class is listed as Full Economy for mileage earning purposes, however it is only eligable for Discount Status credits earning for international travel.

There is no reference in this table to Status Credit earning rates. If, however, you go to http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/program/privileges#jump1 , you will see the statement at the end of the Status Credit earning section

For domestic flights within Australia, Full Economy includes Fully Flexible (classes Y, B, H) and FlexiSaver (class K and W). For international flights, including domestic flights within New Zealand, Full Economy is class Y. If you fly on a Flight Upgrade Award you will receive Status credits for the fare class originally purchased.


Dave

 

[robertz]

e.g. BA H class is listed as Full Economy for mileage earning purposes, however it is only eligable for Discount Status credits earning for international travel.

For domestic flights within Australia, Full Economy includes Fully Flexible (classes Y, B, H) and FlexiSaver (class K and W). For international flights, including domestic flights within New Zealand, Full Economy is class Y. If you fly on a Flight Upgrade Award you will receive Status credits for the fare class originally purchased.

Dave

To me that reads for QF flights, and not all carriers. Its sandwiched between 2 rules that are specific to QF (ie Flexisaver and using flight upgrade awards)

Are we talking from personal experience here about H class on BA?

I think, I going to stay on 'serfty' team for now. Until a personal experience story moves me to switch teams...., then he's on his own.

Rob

 

[Dave Noble]

To me that reads for QF flights, and not all carriers. Its sandwiched between 2 rules that are specific to QF (ie Flexisaver and using flight upgrade awards)

Are we talking from personal experience here about H class on BA?

I think, I going to stay on 'serfty' team for now. Until a personal experience story moves me to switch teams...., then he's on his own.

Rob

It makes no reference to QF at all and , yes, I have seen actual examples

Dave

 

[aus_flyer]

If its Y - full economy SC earn
Any other economy - discount economy SC earn
Simple

 

[Dave Noble]

If its Y - full economy SC earn
Any other economy - discount economy SC earn
Simple

You would have thought so, but some seem not to want to accept such a simple description

Dave

 

[AnonymousCoward]

To me that reads for QF flights, and not all carriers. Its sandwiched between 2 rules that are specific to QF (ie Flexisaver and using flight upgrade awards)

It makes no reference to QF at all and , yes, I have seen actual examples

Dave

However I do not think the statement cited supports your contention. I agree with Rob. The statement cited applies to QANTAS flights.

The situation may be the same with the flight in question, but we can't tell from the statement in question.

 

[AnonymousCoward]

If its Y - full economy SC earn
Any other economy - discount economy SC earn
Simple

Is this a statement of fact? Or an expression of an opinion?

According to:
http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/program/terms#jump23
there are many other classes that count as full economy for mileage earn on other airlines (though it doesn't specifically answer the question about SCs).

Maybe we should contact QANTAS?

 

[Kiwi Flyer]

To me that reads for QF flights, and not all carriers. Its sandwiched between 2 rules that are specific to QF (ie Flexisaver and using flight upgrade awards)

Are we talking from personal experience here about H class on BA?

I think, I going to stay on 'serfty' team for now. Until a personal experience story moves me to switch teams...., then he's on his own.

Rob

It makes no reference to QF at all and , yes, I have seen actual examples

Dave

I have also seen actual examples. Dave Noble has the correct interpretation (unfortunately).

 

[NM]

Note that the table referenced above serves two purposes. It identifies the earning rate for Qantas Frequent Flyer Points for different fare basis for partner airlines. And it identifies the fare types that are eligible for earning Status Credits.

The definition of Discount Economy and Economy are for the purposes of earning Qantas Frequent Flyer Points.

The reference in this table to Status Credits is not intended to define which fare types earn full and discount economy rates of Status Credits. But purely to identify which fare type are eligible as noted in section 19.1.3(a) of the terms and conditions of membership of the Qantas Frequent Flyer program.

Section 19.1.2 states "The number of Status Credits earned varies depending on the fare class shown on the ticket used for travel." and does not reference the Airline Earning Table since that table notes the definitions for points earning rates.

Status Credit earning rates are shown in the table here on the Qantas Frequent Flyer web site. Note that the definition of "eligible" flights again references the Airline Earning Table as the place to determine which fare types are eligible and ineligible, but not for the definition of different SC earning rates - just which are eligible and which are not.

The table that shows the SC earning rates for Full Economy and Discount Economy has two footer notes tagged to these headings. They read:

+ For domestic flights within Australia, Discount Economy includes Super Saver (classes L, M, R, S, V) Red e-Deal (class N, O) and fares booked in G, or Q. For international flights, including domestic flights within New Zealand, Discount Economy includes classes B, G, H, K, L, M, N, O, Q, R, S, V, W.

Note that there is no reference to international flights being just Qantas flights, and so it is true for all eligible international flights as identified in the Airline Earning Table. Also note that domestic flights are defined as being within Australia, so USA domestic flights on AA, and UK domestic flights on BA etc do not earn at the Australian Domestic rates, but are considered international flights by Qantas for the purposes of Status Credit earning. This was less clear in some earlier definitions published by Qantas and they have obviously updated their footnote to avoid that confusion.

#For domestic flights within Australia, Full Economy includes Fully Flexible (classes Y, B, H) and FlexiSaver (class K and W). For international flights, including domestic flights within New Zealand, Full Economy is class Y. If you fly on a Flight Upgrade Award you will receive Status credits for the fare class originally purchased.

This makes it very clear that LAN economy fares booked in anything other than Y will not earn Full Economy Status Credits, but will earn Discount Economy Status Credits.

Qantas has chosen to use different definitions of Full Economy and Discount Economy for the purposes of earning FF points and Status Credits. But they have defined these interpretations within their published information.

 

[Dave Noble]

I have also seen actual examples. Dave Noble has the correct interpretation (unfortunately).

Good to see you agreeing, but I would contend that there is nothing to interpret and that it is clearly defined

Dave