Solar Panels

[samh004]

My bolding. It seems your bills have increased by $20 per month.

My latest electricity bill is a credit of $11.26.

I'm with GloBird.
Per KwH: FiT 12c, Usage 19.84c and daily charge $1.06

I mean the credit I get from the solar.

I did a 365 day consumption spreadsheet for Red Energy using figures similar to that provided by @samh004 compared with Energy Australia and EA came out ahead

I'm in a complex and can't get a three phase/time of day tariff

 

[Daver6]

Looks at all you folks having a choice of providor. Here in WA the market is regulated and there is no competion. Your options are you can have electricity provided or you can go without. On the flipside, I cannot recall the last time I experienced a blackout or load shedding.

 

[Quickstatus]

I'm in a complex and can't get a three phase/time of day tariff

Its not a lot of difference. It really comes down to how you use electricity.

 

[Quickstatus]

Looks at all you folks having a choice of providor. Here in WA the market is regulated and there is no competion. Your options are you can have electricity provided or you can go without. On the flipside, I cannot recall the last time I experienced a blackout or load shedding.

WA operates outside of AEMO and has enough reserve generation capacity.
The competition is a Claytons competition. when you do the sums the difference is not a lot. Why should there be when electricity is a commodity and what comes out of the power point is exactly the same as what comes out of your neighbour's power point irrespective of whether you decide on the electric bill to be 100% carbon free or not. Its like petrol/diesel the differences are miniscule and the "shopping around" mantra just costs time, adds complexity and maybe even costs $$

 

[Daver6]

WA operates outside of AEMO and has enough reserve generation capacity.
The competition is a Claytons competition. when you do the sums the difference is not a lot. Why should there be when electricity is a commodity and what comes out of the power point is exactly the same as what comes out of your neighbour's power point irrespective of whether you decide on the electric bill to be 100% carbon free or not. Its like petrol/diesel the differences are miniscule and the "shopping around" mantra just costs time, adds complexity and maybe even costs $$

Sure what comes out your socket is the same thing. However there are many different ways to generate it with varying costs. So there is plenty of scope for price variation.

 

[Quickstatus]

yes but what comes out of your socket is aggregated (cost and source)

 

[NM]

yes but what comes out of your socket is aggregated (cost and source)

Remember that many people misunderstand the principle of electricity and how it travels from the generation system to your house and back again. We are taught in schools that electricity is the movement of electrons through a conductive material that is commonly called a wire or cable. Well, this is nonsense and propaganda fed to naive students by academics who think they can hide the truth from the population.

The truth is that the wires are actually very fine hollow tubes. These tubes start at the power generation plant where coal is burned and the smoke is forced into the hollow tubes. The smoke flows through the tubes (wires) and to our houses, and when we connect an appliance to the smoke tubes the smoke flows into the appliance. There are always at least two connections between the appliance and the socket because smoke has to the flow through the appliance to make it operate, and then the used smoke flows back into the socket to be returned to the power station to complete the "circuit" or "loop". Upon return to the power station it is released up the big chimney and into the sky, which we commonly refer to as pollution.

Now we know this is factual because we all have experienced a faulty appliance where the smoke circuit is broken and some of the smoke gets out. The appliance stops working when the smoke circuit is disrupted and the smoke escapes from the appliance.

As electricity consumption in our society is increasing, there is more demand for the smoke through the tubes/wires. So to improve the efficiency of the smoke delivery and return to the power station, the electricity generation companies are installing wind turbines and solar panels. The wind turbines are used as pumps to increase the efficiency of the flow of the smoke through the system. The wind turns the pump and more smoke can be pushed through the tubes. Solar panels are used to heat the smoke to reduce the friction as it flows through the tubes. The idea that power generation companies convince house owners to install the smoke friction reduction panels on their roof, at the home owner's cost, is pure genius on the part of the generation companies. They reap the efficiency benefits without the capital investment.

So, yes, what comes out of your socket is indeed aggregated ... aggregated smoke from the power station, pumped through the tubes by the wind turbines, friction reduced by heating in the residential solar panels, and finally returned to the power station chimney for cooling and release into the atmosphere.

We know this is true just be observing disposable items such as fluorescent tubes (commonly called lights but more factually described as "dark suckers"). Observe an expired fluorescent tube - the ends of the tube are darkened as they trap some of the residual smoke rather than returning it to the system, which also proves they are dark suckers (rather than light generators) as at the end of their useful life consuming darkness the consumed darkness can be observed at the ends of the tube. This inefficiency is why the power companies want us to change over to use LED dark consumption devices as they are more efficient at returning the smoke to the exit tube than the older fluorescent or incandescent dark suckers.

 

[exceladdict]

Is it april 1 already?!

 

[Hvr]

Remember that many people misunderstand the principle of electricity and how it travels from the generation system to your house and back again. We are taught in schools that electricity is the movement of electrons through a conductive material that is commonly called a wire or cable. Well, this is nonsense and propaganda fed to naive students by academics who think they can hide the truth from the population.

Did you copy this from the science pages in the Murdoch press?

 

[NM]

Did you copy this from the science pages in the Murdoch press?

Certainly not!! They are most unlikely to publish the truth about such scientific fact! In fact, I read in one of their publications that they claimed the world is flat! Imagine that ... flat they say. The world cannot possbly be flat. Just look around and it is obviously not flat. Its quite bumpy in the middle and slightly raised at the edges - otherwise all the water would fall over the edges.

Now, back to the topic at hand about the installation of those solar smoke friction reduction panels and how they reduce nasty pollution from the smoke generation plants.

 

[Quickstatus]

If any electric appliances in house starts smoking, then there is something wrong.

 

[NM]

If any electric appliances in house starts smoking, then there is something wrong.

Exactly. Once the smoke escaped from the closed system, the appliance is obviously faulty and should be repaired or replaced.

 

[Daver6]

If any electric appliances in house starts smoking, then there is something wrong.

I just don't leave my cigarettes near my electrical appliances, so they never get a chance to.

PS. I don't actually smoke either.

 

[NM]

Now, getting back on topic I am headed for my first electricity bill since May. The hot, humid weather in Brisbane combined with some overcast days results in high consumption compared with generation. My monthly averages for the last few months are:
May 2019 = $19.65
Jun 2019 = $23.18
Jul 2019 = -$1.38
Aug 2019 = -$13.07
Sep 2019 = -$32.13
Oct 2019 = $0.30
Nov 2019 = $31.37
Dec 2019 = $55.08

Certainly better than the $960 quarter I had before installing the SFRP* on my roof.

* Smoke Friction Reduction Panels.

 

[cove]

Adelaide must have been quite sunny as our warehouses and lunch bar combined account slumped to under $400 for the last 2 months. Prior to the solar/LED upgrades that account would have been about six times higher. We are happy vegemites as we work sunlight hours mostly.

 

[Quickstatus]

Energy Australia sent me 3 letters (for the same account) to say the FiT will reduce from 12.5 to 10.5c/kWh

I think this reduction will not be the last.

12.5c/kWh = $125/MWh
During the solar period, the spot prices for generated electricity are lower than this. Currently spot prices between 9 and 3pm are usually about $80/MWh = 8c/kWh

 

[get me outta here]

I was hoping we could get a hailstorm thinking that maybe that would clean the panels for me. Everything around here is covered with dust combined with smoke and only 4 mm of rain for the last three months.

 

[JessicaTam]

I have been surprised to see that my generation has not really dropped much this last two weeks. The smoke has been horrendous at times.

Oh, @NM, I am surprised to see that you did not take the time to explain the difference between left hand and right hand smoke. I.e. the reason that appliances work in the first place is the smoke changing from left hand to right hand as it passes through. Which is why it is so important to get an electrician to hook up the pipes to make sure the correct handedness of the smoke in the first place.

 

[Quickstatus]

I thought it was the other way around. Right hand to left hand

 

[serfty]

I thought it was the other way around. Right hand to left hand

In layman's terms it goes from the Active to the Neutral side¹. This avoids the relative aspect issue in defining left hand and right hand.

¹ .. and back again, but lets not complicate things ...