SQ's ops at MEL need a serious overhaul!

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Hi all (especially the MEL frequenters),

Surely this has crossed everyone's minds at some point - SQ's operations at MEL are a total shambles; almost akin to a low-cost carrier.
Checking in for SQ218 on Thursday night all hell broke loose.
Have kept the thoughts bottled up for a while, but they need to be called out now. Here's a list of a couple of things that are sorely disappointing (disclaimer: these could very well be a result of severe staff shortages, but that's a Menzies Aviation/Dnata issue as check-in handling is handballed to them):
  1. Kiosk Check-in - where to even start? What happened to good old fashioned counter check-in with ordered lines, all taken care of by your designated agent? Now it's a free-for-all, you see a big snaking line and have no idea whether it's for the counters or to complete bag drop? The lines for Y/J/F all merge anyway. And if you want to check-in when your passport isn't issued by your destination country? Forget it - need special assistance, rendering the kiosk useless. Heaps of people had this issue.
  2. The Boarding Passes - plain, white, LCC style. Even if in J/F. This has been a change that's been in force for a few years now, and feedback to SQ went nowhere when the displeasure with the change was made known to them. I guess they must assume the majority of pax don't care that their BP doesn't look presentable in the slightest? When you've paid a boatload of cash or stumped up a stack of miles that have taken ages to earn, a small thing like a nice BP goes a long way.
Of course I'll still utilise SQ for all travel needs - their hard/soft product is outstanding, their KF program works well and their timetable for my usual routes are splendid. However, these cost-cutting measures really hurt the brand and leave a sour taste for a loyal flier such as myself. Others may not be as forgiving :)

Thoughts? Is the above waffle unreasonable or just another first world problem?

Cheers
 
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Yes the kiosks do nothing for me - if in F / R just refuse to use them and grab a staff member to check you in. Haven't tried that in J so don't know how that will go down but F is no problem.

MN do you want me to forward this to MEL Station Manager? Happy to add youir contact details if you so desire.
 
Flying J out of MEL on Boxing Day so interested in others experiences of this new check in process. Doesn't sound great.
 
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Same in BNE except we don’t have F/R.
They did have 2 manned J check ins but we were third in the queue so another agent led us to the kiosk and checked us in.

Problem. Now we had to drop our bag and only 1 line open with a long line of Y pax. Another fellow came and opened the bag drop we were standing in front of but it took a few minutes before it started. Will refuse to use the kiosk next time.
 
I flew with them on a few flights in the last few weeks, in Y, and have to say was less than impressed. Check in process in Melbourne is shambolic. I am VA gold, so went straight for the priority line, but felt sorry for the people lining up in the Y lines.

On the very last flight back to SYD, my luggage was damaged. Basically the zipper on the front compartment was torn off, and the front compartment is now permanently open and dangling/hanging off the front of the suitcase. I raised it with them via their portal, and they basically said that it is the handlers problem, and nothing they can do. No accountability or responsibility, or proactiveness to help you. Very disappointing, and I know I will go out of my way to avoid to fly them in the future. If everything goes fine, they are an ok airline, but if something goes wrong, their customer service sucks.
 
Yes the kiosks do nothing for me - if in F / R just refuse to use them and grab a staff member to check you in. Haven't tried that in J so don't know how that will go down but F is no problem.
Yep - the kiosks are perfect for easy, straightforward itineraries that don't require complicated through-checkins, TIMATIC immigration rule lookups etc. If your passport isn't one that usually grants free reign travel to most countries then that will be a problem (for example, some passports allow the holder a 96 hour VFTF (Visa-Free Transit Facility) for Singapore, however the kiosk expects a physical visa with an MRZ (that is requests to be scanned) so in the absence of that, it resorts to asking for assistance).

The problem moreso comes when there aren't actually enough staff around to handle the sheer volume of pax that are checking into SQ's flights (they're acutely aware that their planes are departing MEL chockers full I'm sure). It was even a random Thursday night and the amount of pax was quite crazy. The few who were there, were just running around dealing with kiosk errors, bag drop machine errors and a host of other dramas.

Doesn't help that there's no signage prior to the kiosks too to explain the steps - it felt like many Y pax were standing in the bag-drop line assuming it was a regular check-in line as the line was just that long.
Some others who were flying J were getting disgruntled too at the absolute chaos that was all around.
It appears there was only one staff member assigned to F/J/W check-in so the lines there were insane too.
MN do you want me to forward this to MEL Station Manager? Happy to add youir contact details if you so desire.
Yes please - I think they need to know that the experience that many are facing is not the experience that a premium carrier should offer, especially ex-MEL (or SYD or BNE or ADL for that matter). When you get used to the good times and then they change in the negative direction, it doesn't sit well. Thanks again CE, good on you mate.
Flying J out of MEL on Boxing Day so interested in others experiences of this new check in process. Doesn't sound great.
Oh gosh, all I can say is arrive there early (I'm talking 4.5+ hours), get to the front of the J check-in line and wait till the agents appear. Hopefully some forward planning will avoid the chaos that will inevitably ensue after you're well and truly ensconced in the MEL SQ J lounge. Boxing Day just adds another layer of pressure to the pressure cooker at MEL that's already at bursting stage!
If a plain boarding pass makes the list of the top 2 things to complain about then it sounds to me like they are doing pretty well. This makes me feel more positive about my flight with them in a few months.
That's certainly true - you'd expect plain, non-premium BPs from LCCs like JQ. Even VA domestic BPs at least have some colour and shine to them. I (as I'm sure many here, we are on AFF after all) like to collect/hold onto/store BPs from all the trips - as memories of the trips but also the sheer hard work that went into collecting the miles required for the redemptions. My wife does think I'm crazy for keeping all of them, but they are a damn good memento you can't deny that.

You'd agree that this just looks (and feels) so much better than this (even though they have effectively the same role).

The gripes were mainly due to the shift from counter to kiosk check-in procedures, implemented at a time when the exact opposite should be happening (due to the surge in travel numbers over this Xmas/NY period). A kiosk just doesn't have an iota of the capabilities of a check-in agent, especially when it comes to things such as through check-ins or TIMATIC rule lookups etc.

As I said before, it very well could be misplaced anger/frustration, but I really expected better from SQ. I did praise them in the OP and will still fly with them, it's just that these cost-cutting measures (as that's all they can be described as) aren't necessary when they're still commanding premium prices and miles.
Same in BNE except we don’t have F/R.
They did have 2 manned J check ins but we were third in the queue so another agent led us to the kiosk and checked us in.
If you were third in queue, how long prior to departure did you arrive at check-in? I can't imagine you only being the third if you got there at the standard 3 hours.
Problem. Now we had to drop our bag and only 1 line open with a long line of Y pax. Another fellow came and opened the bag drop we were standing in front of but it took a few minutes before it started. Will refuse to use the kiosk next time.
Bingo. Herein lies the crux of the problem. For kiosk check-in to work well, it needs a well-designed (read: spacious and well-signed) area that makes it logical to know what to do.
When you arrive at MEL and see a line long enough to reach AKL, only confusion can ensue (unless you're experienced in chaotic airport environments on a regular basis).
I flew with them on a few flights in the last few weeks, in Y, and have to say was less than impressed. Check in process in Melbourne is shambolic. I am VA gold, so went straight for the priority line, but felt sorry for the people lining up in the Y lines.
Thanks for validating my experiences, @PlutekPlutek. The check-in at MEL really is shambolic, I'd expect that with QF or another airline that has publicly demonstrated cost-cutting. Not with SQ who I've come to expect so much of. The people in the Y lines (of which we were part of) really had a hard gig.
On the very last flight back to SYD, my luggage was damaged. Basically the zipper on the front compartment was torn off, and the front compartment is now permanently open and dangling/hanging off the front of the suitcase. I raised it with them via their portal, and they basically said that it is the handlers problem, and nothing they can do. No accountability or responsibility, or proactiveness to help you. Very disappointing, and I know I will go out of my way to avoid to fly them in the future. If everything goes fine, they are an ok airline, but if something goes wrong, their customer service sucks.
Oh gosh, that's not good. Sorry to hear about this.
I've had good experiences with damaged baggage in the past (most recently being mid-July), but that could all be very different now (with all the craziness going on with Swissport as we all know).

Thanks everyone for chiming in, looking forward to more experiences/evidence as more chime in.
 
Same in BNE except we don’t have F/R.
They did have 2 manned J check ins but we were third in the queue so another agent led us to the kiosk and checked us in.

Problem. Now we had to drop our bag and only 1 line open with a long line of Y pax. Another fellow came and opened the bag drop we were standing in front of but it took a few minutes before it started. Will refuse to use the kiosk next time.

Thanks for this info. We will take this approach and refuse the kiosk on Thursday morning.
 
Oh gosh, all I can say is arrive there early (I'm talking 4.5+ hours),

Nah, I’d say go the other way and arrive 90mins or less before departure. I routinely arrive at SQ checkin at MEL about 75 mins before and never seen more than a dozen pax waiting to check in. Obviously this advice wouldn’t work if every did it, but there no chance of that happening.
 
Came through today

Total shambles for Y

J and F have a normal check in counter with 2 staff on the far right of the check in area.

I mentioned it to the staff member and she was very embarrassed about the change.

Equal or worse than a LCC for those in Y
Perfect - just what I thought. Which check-in counter area were you using? Was it "L"?

You're right though, those in Y (and to a smaller extent those in J) are getting the short end of the stick.

I wonder if it's MEL management or SQ that initiated the change? I could see the TG flight checking in as usual along with all the other flights that were departing that day. It was just SQ that was using the kiosks (as far as I could see).
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Nah, I’d say go the other way and arrive 90mins or less before departure. I routinely arrive at SQ checkin at MEL about 75 mins before and never seen more than a dozen pax waiting to check in. Obviously this advice wouldn’t work if every did it, but there no chance of that happening.
What about lounge time though? There'd hardly be any, and part of the experience is to enjoy time in the lounge :)
 
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Dear me, looks like I will be delaying my return to SQ for a while longer: things like this, coupled with insane fares, do not attract me at all! I can only comment that checking in at MEL last week for a QF Dom->Int trip, everyone was getting checked in by a human agent. Happily, it appears that they have extended my PPS status until mid-2024 so no hurry to go back.
 
Nah, I’d say go the other way and arrive 90mins or less before departure. I routinely arrive at SQ checkin at MEL about 75 mins before and never seen more than a dozen pax waiting to check in. Obviously this advice wouldn’t work if every did it, but there no chance of that happening.
I used to do this before covid but don't want to risk arriving too late these days.

Flew out of BNE late October. Arrived ~3h before flight. There were 2 queues that I could see for checkin and bag drop and each one was quite long. As Virgin Gold used business class checkin and that took less than 5 minutes.
 
I agree that things are not good ex-MEL at the moment. I was on SQ228 last week and the whole area was a palaver. Hundreds of people congregating in a small area, seemingly without directions on what to do or where to go. I can’t even imagine what it’ll be like when it transitions to the 380.

The J check-in queue had at least 50 people in it, fortunately I used the F queue so it was fine for me, but pretty awful for everyone else. My previous flight on SQ238 - a two class aircraft with no F check in counter was even worse: it took me almost an hour.

I haven’t seen Wesley once this year, so I don’t know what he’s up to either.

Now MathNerd, seeing as you appreciate the small details, you might be pleased to know my bag was given a priority tag for the first time in a few years! So perhaps there’s hope for your bp mementos.
 
This is quite disappointing to read, I’m flying J this Sunday out of Melbourne and wasn’t keen on turning up 3hrs+ before departure. I fear now I might have to

Not looking forward to my flights in April next year in Y!
 
This is quite disappointing to read, I’m flying J this Sunday out of Melbourne and wasn’t keen on turning up 3hrs+ before departure. I fear now I might have to

Not looking forward to my flights in April next year in Y!

You have three choices, given that it seems many aim to be at the airport 2.5-3hrs before departure, wise to avoid this "peak".

1) Turn up 3.5hrs+ before departure to avoid the wave of people that will arrive at 3 hrs before departure. You can wait at the front of the queue to be at checkin when it opens, so you don't have to wait at the back of a queue if you arrive at the airport later.
2) Turn up at 2-2.5hrs before departure and wait in the chaotic queue described above.
3) Turn up at 1.5 hrs before departure where you shouldn't expect much of a queue at all. The 2, 2.5 and 3 hr folk would be well through by then.

Or
(4) What I sometimes do, turn up 1:05-1:10 before departure and have them say "Mr Dajop we're expecting you" only 1 more passenger to check in after you (noting checkin officially closes 40 mins before departure, although they tend to get antsy and call you if its <1 hr!!). Not really recommended for flights other than SQ 208, the 7:25pm departure which has the shortest turnaround, so no early boarding, and operates at a quiet time for international departures, so security is quick).
 

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