Status Credits on US flight

[nuglas]

Bit of a newbie here.

I am flying to the US for work and have the option of flying Qantas from Sydney to Dallas, then AA to NY. The flight will be on business class, but I noticed that AA only have first class on Dallas to NY leg. Would that mean I earn status credits for first class or business on that leg? If so, it seems like another reason to fly via Dallas rather than from LA (as well as missing the fun of LA customs and immigration...)

 

[serfty]

Bit of a newbie here.

I am flying to the US for work and have the option of flying Qantas from Sydney to Dallas, then AA to NY. The flight will be on business class, but I noticed that AA only have first class on Dallas to NY leg. Would that mean I earn status credits for first class or business on that leg? If so, it seems like another reason to fly via Dallas rather than from LA (as well as missing the fun of LA customs and immigration...)

AA domestic first class from DFW is a bit similar to Qantas domestic Business class here.

If your ticket on the AA flight books into F, A or P classes then you will earn first class SC's.

Note that if on a QF codeshare flight number (on the same flight) then it books into business class (J, D, I) even though in the same cabin and one Business class points/SC's are earned.

 

[kirk7]

AA domestic first class from DFW is a bit similar to Qantas domestic Business class here.

If your ticket on the AA flight books into F, A or P classes then you will earn first class SC's.

Note that if on a QF codeshare flight number (on the same flight) then it books into business class (J, D, I) even though in the same cabin and one Business class points/SC's are earned.

Also one thing to note- i have heard stories that on a codeshared J ticket- they may seat you not in "F" but in Y....

 

[nuglas]

Thanks for your help.

I have been told the ticket will either be D or I class - not that I can see any difference between them.

 

[serfty]

Thanks for your help.

I have been told the ticket will either be D or I class - not that I can see any difference between them.

So you will be on the QF codeshare flight number, DFW-NYC.

D and I class are "Discounted" business class and earn as for Business class.

I could be sitting on the seat beside you travelling on the AA flight number in A or P class (Discounted First Class) and be earning First Class SC's and QFF points.

i.e. You'd earn 90 SC's, I'd be earning 120.

 

[JohnM]

So you will be on the QF codeshare flight number, DFW-NYC.

D and I class are "Discounted" business class and earn as for Business class.

I could be sitting on the seat beside you travelling on the AA flight number in A or P class (Discounted First Class) and be earning First Class SC's and QFF points.

i.e. You'd earn 90 SC's, I'd be earning 120.

Serfty, I'm unclear on what you say here. How do you deduce that the OP is on the QF codeshare? In D class (as in a DONEx with no QF codeshare sectors on AA 2-class aircraft), I sit in F and earn SCs at F level.

 

[serfty]

Serfty, I'm unclear on what you say here. How do you deduce that the OP is on the QF codeshare? In D class (as in a DONEx with no QF codeshare sectors on AA 2-class aircraft), I sit in F and earn SCs at F level.

On further checking, I have yet been unable to find a QF codeshare flight number for DFW-JFK.

If nuglas is on an AA flight number, they will not be in D or I class as AA do not sell Business class on DFW-NYC flights.

Here's an example, QF has a codeshare flight on AA metal from DFW to BOS. Below is the fare bucket availability for the same actual flight.

While Qantas do sell First class (F/A), AA do not sell business class (J/C/D/I). Generally booking onto the QF flight number one would be in J/C/D/I.

Results from ExpertFlyer.com

Flight Availability Search
Departing DFW on 17/08/11 12:00 PM for BOS
Flying QF AA 
Direct/Non-Stop Only

Flight        Depart             Arrive             Aircraft    Available Classes

AA 610        DFW                BOS                738         F7 A7 P7 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 W7 V7 G7 S7 N7 Q7 O7 
              17/08/11 7:05 PM   17/08/11 11:35 PM         
QF (AA) 4528  DFW                BOS                738         F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N0 Q9 O9 G0 
              17/08/11 7:05 PM   17/08/11 11:35 PM

Note that for DONEx's if one books the QF flight number, the rules state this must book into D class. If booking the AA flight number the rules state A class.

 

[nuglas]

Not an expert here but the flight from DFW to NY is a QF code share - flight number is QF4393. The flight class is coming up as D on the provisonal E ticket.

To add to the confusion, I am taking a flight within the US from New York to Madison, WI via Chicago. The NY to Chicago flight is on AA and is P class. The Qantas website says that:

"P booking classes are included only when booked as part of a Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Award and solely for the purposes of eligibility for Points and Status Credit earn"

Does that mean I would not earn any SC for the this trip? Seems a bit odd not to be being paying more than normal economy fare yet not get even discount economy SC.

 

[JohnM]

On further checking, there is no QF codeshare flight number DFW-JFK. I guess this makes sense as Qantas already fly QF107 to JFK.

If nuglas is on an AA flight number, they will not be in D or I class as AA do not sell Business class on DFW-NYC flights.

Here's an example, QF has a codeshare flight from DFW to BOS. Below is the fare bucket availability for the same actual flight.

While Qantas do sell First class (F/A), AA do not sell business class (J/C/D/I). Generally booking onto the QF flight number one would be in J/C/D/I.

Results from ExpertFlyer.com

Flight Availability Search
Departing DFW on 17/08/11 12:00 PM for BOS
Flying QF AA 
Direct/Non-Stop Only

Flight        Depart             Arrive             Aircraft    Available Classes

AA 610        DFW                BOS                738         F7 A7 P7 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 W7 V7 G7 S7 N7 Q7 O7 
              17/08/11 7:05 PM   17/08/11 11:35 PM         
QF (AA) 4528  DFW                BOS                738         F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 I9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N0 Q9 O9 G0 
              17/08/11 7:05 PM   17/08/11 11:35 PM

Note that for DONEx's if one books the QF flight number, the rules state this must book into D class. If booking the AA flight number the rules state A class.

Gotcha, thanks Serfty. I was forgetting that on the DONEx the AA sectors are actually ticketed into A on 2-class a/c, not just the PAX put in A.

 

[serfty]

Not an expert here but the flight from DFW to NY is a QF code share - flight number is QF4393. The flight class is coming up as D on the provisonal E ticket.

To add to the confusion, I am taking a flight within the US from New York to Madison, WI via Chicago. The NY to Chicago flight is on AA and is P class. The Qantas website says that:

"P booking classes are included only when booked as part of a Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Award and solely for the purposes of eligibility for Points and Status Credit earn"

Does that mean I would not earn any SC for the this trip? Seems a bit odd not to be being paying more than normal economy fare yet not get even discount economy SC.

I'll look again for that codeshare.

On Qantas flights, P class is for First class Awards. On AA flights, it represents Discounted First Class.

Since you are on an AA flight number NYC-ORD, you need to look at the American Airlines[sup]®[/sup] (AA) part of the airline earning table.

(http://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/program/terms#jump25)

 

[drron]

Not an expert here but the flight from DFW to NY is a QF code share - flight number is QF4393. The flight class is coming up as D on the provisonal E ticket.

To add to the confusion, I am taking a flight within the US from New York to Madison, WI via Chicago. The NY to Chicago flight is on AA and is P class. The Qantas website says that:

"P booking classes are included only when booked as part of a Qantas & Jetstar Any Seat Award and solely for the purposes of eligibility for Points and Status Credit earn"

Does that mean I would not earn any SC for the this trip? Seems a bit odd not to be being paying more than normal economy fare yet not get even discount economy SC.

P class is generally what an instant upgrade fare(YUPPS) books into.You will earn F SCs if in the F cabin.However if a change of equipment,cancelled flight you may be bumped to the Y cabin.You would then earn full economy SCs.

 

[serfty]

Gotcha, thanks Serfty. I was forgetting that on the DONEx the AA sectors are actually ticketed into A on 2-class a/c, not just the PAX put in A.

... and for that reason one should generally avoid booking on the three class AA transcontinental 772/762 flights (as well as QF flight numbers) on a DONEx/DCIRnn in order to maximise SC earning.

 

[JohnM]

... and for that reason one should generally avoid booking the three class AA transcontinental flights in on a DONEx/DCIRnn in order to maximize SC earning.

Certainly and my memory never fails me enough to remember that!

 

[drron]

... and for that reason one should generally avoid booking on the three class AA transcontinental 772/762 flights (as well as QF flight numbers) on a DONEx/DCIRnn in order to maximise SC earning.

And why do a transcontinental when 2 sectors will give you even more SCs!

 

[serfty]

I'll look again for that codeshare.
...

OK, Found an example.
Results from ExpertFlyer.com

Flight Availability Search
Departing DFW on 22/08/11 12:00 AM for NYC
Flying QF AA 
Direct/Non-Stop Only


                                                            
Flight        Depart           Arrive                 Available Classes

AA 738        DFW              LGA              738   F7 A7 P7 Y7 B7 H7 K7 L7 M7 W7 V7 G7 S7 N7 Q7 O7 
              22/08/11 3:20 PM 22/08/11 8:05 PM

QF (AA) 4393  DFW              LGA              738   F9 A9 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N0 Q9 O9 G0
              22/08/11 3:20 PM 22/08/11 8:05 PM