Targeted Qantas code share options

RegularRoo

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As QF keeps reducing or removing status earn rates for OW partners, when are they going to increase their QF codeshares on other metal?

To name a few… surely they’d look to partner with PR (QF flies to Manila), 4Z (QF has the monopoly to South Africa) and QH (JQ flies to Vietnam)

I’m also surprised there isn’t more QF numbers on flights leaving Rome to align with the seasonal route (at least IB and AZ)… maybe the EK partnership restricts them?
 
For Rome, I imagine it’s mostly O&D traffic - they’ve obviously got Emirates and (in a pinch) BA through LHR.

Asia has always been a basket case - they’d seem to prefer routing through SIN and leverage Jetstar/3K. PR would also much rather own the longer sectors rather than just domestic (not to mention the QF price premium) so I’m not sure how that would work. I’d much rather they patch things up with CX or at least retime some of their flights so as to work with the CX regional departures of an evening… one can dream.
 
As QF keeps reducing or removing status earn rates for OW partners, when are they going to increase their QF codeshares on other metal?

To name a few… surely they’d look to partner with PR (QF flies to Manila), 4Z (QF has the monopoly to South Africa) and QH (JQ flies to Vietnam)

I’m also surprised there isn’t more QF numbers on flights leaving Rome to align with the seasonal route (at least IB and AZ)… maybe the EK partnership restricts them?
Please state and list (all dates etc) when "QF keeps reducing or removing status earn rates for OW partners"

Airlines tend to codeshare with alliance and other ff partners that can feed its own flights (KLM/AF - OW alliance). Needs to be a gain for both sides.
QF codeshare with PR would be head to head competition. So anticompetitive. PR does codeshare with many airlines.
South Africa 4Z airlink. Commercial aviation in RSA is a mess. With South African Airways a mere shadow of its former self. Close to bankruptcy for year now. Questionable SAA management.
IB is in the IAG camp - Qatar
AZ Alitalia (skyteam) is gone- bankrupt. ITA airways (AZ) [Govt owned] the replacement is be 41% owned over by LH if approved
 
But SC earn rates are not reduced afaik for routes that Qantas itself doesn't compete with? Only exception is MH treatment of Business as Economy earn type.

You get "full" status credits flying Manila to Hong Kong, Hong Kong to Tokyo, Tokyo to London, Rome to anywhere in Europe to name a few.

It's just competition with Qantas' own routes (or alternate routings to Europe) that get the half SCs for some sectors
 
Codeshares will only be sought by an airline like QF when they think they can make money from it. Remember every codeshare seat costs the carrier real $$$ - if they can't sell it, that's on them. It's nice to want to slap a QF code on all kinds of random routes, but the reality is that it's mostly not going to happen - specially if a partner flies there and fed from a QF flight or it's just not a market that QF sees money in selling as a through journey from Australia. Remember, QF codeshares can't be booked on their own, but as a through fare from or to Oz. So, QF needs to see some sort of a market for beyond flying that warrants a QF codeshare and has the demand that warrants them buying the space on the operating carrier.
 
QF SC earn on OW carriers hasn’t changed since “Simpler & Fairer” (TM) over 10 yrs ago. Maybe some tinkering with MH - which was all a bit bizarre given QF sponsored MH into OW.

But as far as new codeshares, they only recently introduced a bunch of new codeshares on AF and KLM. Indigo in India. They’ve also retained the codeshares (and lounge access) on LA flights despite LATAM exiting OW.
 
Only under a block space codeshare such as the Qantas/LATAM one. I think most codeshare agreements wouldn't have this issue.
yes, fair enough - though there still has to be a commercial agreement, and even without a block as you suggest, there's still got to be a pro-rata agreement on costs - eg if QF codeshare on AA LAX-DEN, and sell SYD-LAX-DEN, what does AA get for that sector sold by QF? Since QF can control their own pricing - again that would all be part of the agreement between the two carriers. my point really being that it's still not as simple as saying hey mind if I slap a flight number on your flight to whoever they like... :)
 
Codeshares can take many forms
From a FT post by B747-437B, who is/was employed in airline management (2nd 3rd tier airlines)

There are more ways to structure a codeshare agreement than might be apparent on the surface. I've negotiated codeshares that were based upon "hard blocks", "soft blocks", "moving block", "free sales", "revenue sharing", "open sale", "sell and report" and various other systems.
In a "hard block", the operating carrier makes available a fixed number of seats to the marketing carrier. This is usually done on a fixed cost per seat basis. The marketing carrier then applies its own yield management to these seats and sells them in competition with the operating carrier. If the marketing carrier fails to sell all the seats, then they go empty.
In a "soft block", the marketing carrier reserves the right to return to the operating carrier any unsold seats at various given points in time. Their liability to the operating carrier is reduced accordingly. The payments due may vary depending on whether the operating carrier is able to resell the seats returned.
In a "moving block", the marketing carrier guarantees a minimum number of sales over a given period based upon inventory ranges made available by the operating carrier. These ranges may be fluid or prenegotiated or a combination of both depending on specific operational day.
In a "free sale", the marketing carrier sells the operating carrier's inventory without any restrictions at either mutually agreed fares or unilaterally set fares.
In an "open sale", the marketing carrier sells the operating carrier's inventory until the operating carrier stops them from selling any more.
In a "sell and report", the marketing carrier sells the operating carrier's inventory independent of the operating carrier's systems and simply updates the systems subsequently with details of sales completed.
In a "revenue sharing" system, the marketing carrier and the operating carrier share all costs and revenues in pre-determined proportions, irrespective of who the actual cost may be incurred by or where the revenue may have been generated. This is the system used by most alliances who have attained anti-trust immunity.
Beyond this there are further restrictions as to traffic rights and markets in which the codeshares may be marketed and the settlement procedures and whether surcharges may be applicable and literally hundreds of other possibilities.
 
One never really knows what has happened behind the scenes but never came to fruition. Howwever, codeshares do require commercial agreements between the carriers. They also need to take into account all sorts of things like traffic rights, etc.

Sometimes it's just not worth it, and selling a seat on another carrier is as good as it's going to get.
 
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