Tokyo Haneda slot - how will Virgin Operate it?

Most importantly whether it's worth shelling out the cash to pursue frequent flyer status really depends on whether you think you'll use the benefits. If you fly Virgin economy enough (i.e. on a monthly basis), then yeah, I guess you might benefit from it.
I do fly whY on VAdom a bit (and sometimes int, back when they had an int network to the Pacific), so it is handy to have WP. I have also been know to fly SQ whY, and VA WP (or even SG) is nice for that with access to the Gold lounge at SIN (now that it is an excellent lounge with, gasp, toilets and showers)!
 
Sounds like a great service, and will definitely consider it for leisure travel ex SYD. The price is great for J (admittedly a limited J product) and it is HND which is very convenient. Lots of status credits too, I imagine. But will need lounge access at both CNS and HND.
Status credits I absolutely agree with, but otherwise I think I would fly JAL Premium Economy for more or less the same price on most dates that I can see.
  • B787 2-3-2 vs. B737 2-2 should have similar seat width
  • JAL PE has 42" Seat Pitch, VA J only 38"
  • Food will likely be a bit better on VA, given JAL only serves Economy meals in PE, although they do have a reasonably high standard of catering
  • I don't drink alcohol, but JL does service Champagne in Long Haul PE. Unsure what VA's offering here will be, but it'll probably be comparable
  • JAL PE includes lounge access - Qantas Business in SYD/MEL (admittedly quite a poor lounge by intl standards), and JAL Sakura in HND/NRT. VA nominally includes lounge access, but it seems like at this point there are no lounges to actually use.
    • Of course, if you have QF WP (or other OWE) you can use the excellent QF F and JL F lounges, whereas currently even VA WP will not get you into any lounges.
    • Hopefully a VA partnership with ANA is coming re. lounge access in HND at least.
  • JAL flies direct from SYD/MEL vs. transiting Cairns
  • VA has free Wifi for Business Class, JAL does not
  • VA J is ~$2200, JL PE is ~$2300 on most dates I checked
  • In general the 787 is probably more comfortable than the 737 Max for long haul I suspect (although I've never flown a 737M long haul, so happy to be corrected)
  • JL has IFE screens (admittedly not the best selection for english speaking customers), we currently don't know if VA will have them (probably not?)
I think I would have to see VA Business Class priced closer to Jetstar Business Max (~$1800-2000 return) to consider it over the JL option as a traveller originating SYD (or MEL for that matter).
 
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Status credits I absolutely agree with, but otherwise I think I would fly JAL Premium Economy for more or less the same price on most dates that I can see.
  • B787 2-3-2 vs. B737 2-2 should have similar seat width
  • JAL PE has 42" Seat Pitch, VA J only 38"
  • Food will likely be a bit better on VA, given JAL only serves Economy meals in PE, although they do have a reasonably high standard of catering
  • I don't drink alcohol, but JL does service Champagne in Long Haul PE. Unsure what VA's offering here will be, but it'll probably be comparable
  • JAL PE includes lounge access - Qantas Business in SYD/MEL (admittedly quite a poor lounge by intl standards), and JAL Sakura in HND/NRT. VA nominally includes lounge access, but it seems like at this point there are no lounges to actually use.
  • JAL flies direct from SYD/MEL vs. transiting Cairns
  • VA has free Wifi for Business Class, JAL does not
  • VA J is ~$2200, JL PE is ~$2300 on most dates I checked
  • In general the 787 is probably more comfortable than the 737 Max for long haul I suspect (although I've never flown a 737M long haul, so happy to be corrected)
I think I would have to see VA Business Class priced closer to Jetstar Business Max (~$1800-2000 return) to consider it over the JL option.
A OWE would also get QF F lounge in SYD/MEL and the very good JL F Lounge in HND travelling on JL (irrespective of class).

QF WP similarly get QF F lounge on JQ. But I assume not much on the return however?
 
QF WP similarly get QF F lounge on JQ. But I assume not much on the return however?
Well, JQ doesn't fly out of Sydney to Japan, so you have to transit Cairns or Gold Coast too (and therefore no FLounge)
 
I've got this hunch that the target market for this service is not Qantas Platinum's or OW Emeralds travelling out of SYD, so lack of fancy lounge access, or indeed lack of any lounge access, is sort of immaterial from VA's point of view....
Oh I absolutely agree, and I think this is a good service for anyone originating Japan waiting to visit FNQ, or anyone from Queensland (including maybe Brisbane) wanting to visit Japan. I'm just replying to a comment re. using this service ex-SYD, and noting how I feel this isn't very competitive for anyone originating SYD or MEL.
 
Oh I absolutely agree, and I think this is a good service for anyone originating Japan waiting to visit FNQ, or anyone from Queensland (including maybe Brisbane) wanting to visit Japan.
Yep, pretty much what JQ has been doing for years since it replaced the rebooted “Australian Airlines” (all economy “full service” 767s) to/from CNS - NRT/KIK etc 20 odd years ago.

 
Ultimately, its just a 737 worth of passengers to fill everyday. With ANA’s pos advantage in Japan and VFF members down under and connections on both sides I reckon this service should do ok.
Once again, using the comparison with DPS if those routes manage to make money then a route operated with a -8 and that is subsidised should at the very least not bleed money.
It will be interesting to see how they price HND originating tickets. Also, ticket rules include flights to/from South Korea must be operated by NH, maybe we’ll see codeshares to SEL open up sometime next year.
 
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Status credits I absolutely agree with, but otherwise I think I would fly JAL Premium Economy for more or less the same price on most dates that I can see.
  • JAL PE has 42" Seat Pitch, VA J only 38"
And that seat pitch makes a huge difference when you are travelling such distances. Heck I remember flying Norwegian on their 737MAX from New York to Edinburgh and even for such a short "domestic" flight was cramped for a couple of days.
  • Food will likely be a bit better on VA, given JAL only serves Economy meals in PE, although they do have a reasonably high standard of catering
Debatable. If you are into Japanese cuisine, I reckon the JAL menu will be a winner compared to the usual Aussie stuff you find on VA like pies.
  • I don't drink alcohol, but JL does service Champagne in Long Haul PE. Unsure what VA's offering here will be, but it'll probably be comparable
Does Virign provide actual champagne on their international J service or is it simply Australian champagne (i.e. apple juice)?
  • JAL PE includes lounge access - Qantas Business in SYD/MEL (admittedly quite a poor lounge by intl standards), and JAL Sakura in HND/NRT. VA nominally includes lounge access, but it seems like at this point there are no lounges to actually use.
    • Of course, if you have QF WP (or other OWE) you can use the excellent QF F and JL F lounges, whereas currently even VA WP will not get you into any lounges.
    • Hopefully a VA partnership with ANA is coming re. lounge access in HND at least.
I think JAL is the winner when it comes to lounges hands down.
  • JAL flies direct from SYD/MEL vs. transiting Cairns
And there's the kicker! Having to connect and deal with all the cough that stems from that (including a terminal transfer at CNS) versus just boarding the damn plane. Then again, I think some could make an argument that transiting through CNS would be a nicer experience than going through the gauntlet at MEL/SYD INTL.
  • VA has free Wifi for Business Class, JAL does not
That's of course supposing VA has it installed on their aircraft by then. Also, it's unclear what the quality of said internet will be. I reckon JAL uses the Panasonic wifi system which can be quite good.
  • VA J is ~$2200, JL PE is ~$2300 on most dates I checked
Comparable price but the question is how does that work out in terms of status credit accrual?
  • In general the 787 is probably more comfortable than the 737 Max for long haul I suspect (although I've never flown a 737M long haul, so happy to be corrected)
  • JL has IFE screens (admittedly not the best selection for english speaking customers), we currently don't know if VA will have them (probably not?)
787 isn't probably better when it comes to passenger comfort versus the 737 MAX (aka MD-737), it actually is better. In particular the 787 has significantly better climate control meaning the humidity in the cabin isn't like you are in the Sahara desert which on a long haul flight like TYO can really add up.
I think I would have to see VA Business Class priced closer to Jetstar Business Max (~$1800-2000 return) to consider it over the JL option as a traveller originating SYD (or MEL for that matter).
What Jetstar has going for it is they operate the 787 over the MD-737, which again has many benefits on long haul flights.

Well, JQ doesn't fly out of Sydney to Japan, so you have to transit Cairns or Gold Coast too (and therefore no FLounge)
This also has the added hassle that you need to collect your bag at OOL/CNS and re-check it for your onward flight to TYO
 
Comparable price but the question is how does that work out in terms of status credit accrual?
Yeah, VA is definitely ahead in Status Credit accrual, especially if we're talking Australian FF programs (since crediting JL AU-JP flights to QFF gets you 1/2 credits)
 
That's of course supposing VA has it installed on their aircraft by then. Also, it's unclear what the quality of said internet will be. I reckon JAL uses the Panasonic wifi system which can be quite good.
Intelsat 2ku, same system that VA1 used (Virgin Australia picks 2Ku for Wi-Fi boost | PaxEx.Aero). It should be pretty good, assuming the service quality is the same over the pacific as over Australia. It got generally positive reviews back when VA1 was running it.

I would hope their MAXes come with it out of the factory, but who knows. Virgin did mention wifi on their press release though, so I would have to assume they are committing to running this route with wifi-capable aircraft
Does Virign provide actual champagne on their international J service or is it simply Australian champagne (i.e. apple juice)?
Good point. The press release only mentions Australian Wines.
 
I think JAL is the winner when it comes to lounges hands down

Any lounge that has draft beer and a sake bar is gold IMHO.
CNS would be a nicer experience than going through the gauntlet at MEL/SYD INTL.

If there are no time issues (and there are some lucky people out there) CNS could be a good stopover to relax and recharge, whereas I don't see SYD/MEL in quite the same light.
 
Any lounge that has draft beer and a sake bar is gold IMHO.


If there are no time issues (and there are some lucky people out there) CNS could be a good stopover to relax and recharge, whereas I don't see SYD/MEL in quite the same light.
Yair, for a person who lives in the some southern parts of Aust, and wants to use that particular VAi flight Au - HND, a stop overnight in CNS is a definite requirement.
Edit: DennisButnik travels, has a youtube video of CNS airport.
Unlinked flight, ADL - CNS with JQd (eek) could link onto that CNS - HND flight with VAi, playing with fire, yes, in the case that that first flight with JQ from ADL - CNS gets cancelled.
Tried to have another try, ADL - CNS - HND won't allow, on the VA website, even CNS - HND flights, for Jul 2023.
Maybe its just my laptop.
 
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Yair, for a person who lives in the some southern parts of Aust, and wants to use that particular VAi flight Au - HND, a stop overnight in CNS is a definite requirement.

Actually from HBA/LST/ADL its possible to double connect in SYD/MEL/BNE-CNS and make the flight on the same day. Not saying its a fun experience though.

Re the lounge debate, I recall reading the CNS reef lounge was operated/managed by CX and closed when the triangle route was axed in favor of a more direct route to BNE. I doubt we’ll see any lounge there considering SQ is the only FSC and they’re more than happy offering their passengers absolutely nothing.

Could we see a lounge in CNS domestic? Perhaps but CNS isn’t OOL passenger numbers wise so I doubt it’ll happen anytime soon. Best chance is lounge access in HND.
 
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Tried to have another try, ADL - CNS - HND won't allow, on the VA website, even CNS - HND flights, for Jul 2023.
Maybe its just my laptop.

Nothing wrong with your laptop; VA don't want Adelaideans to visit Nippon. as I can from the Eastern States.

There are VA watchers here who will work quietly in the background to rectify.

VA MELMELHND.jpeg
 
VA401 6.00 -> 8.30 ADL - SYD
Too late to get VA1411 which dep SYD at 7.30am

VA1421 13.30 -> 1600 SYD -> CNS
Too late to meet int dep procedures, in CNS for flight to HND.
 
VA401 6.00 -> 8.30 ADL - SYD
Too late to get VA1411 which dep SYD at 7.30am

VA1421 13.30 -> 1600 SYD -> CNS
Too late to meet int dep procedures, in CNS for flight to HND.

QF would list next-day departures as options.

Even if you (say) look at VA218 and connect with SQ228 - this is still an overnight stop to catch SQ636 the next day.
 

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