jakeseven7
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So is the bet MEL gets a Haneda service from QF?? Hoping!!
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Interesting thought. The IASC determination does say they are required to "fully utilise" the traffic allocation (one flight per day). Practically though, it would be unlikely to try and remove... I can't recall any recent occasions where a traffic allocation was revoked for frequency changes, especially when the route has already been cancelled.Genuine question: if they aren't running the route daily, does this risk jeopardising the future of the slot? It's not VA's problem at this point, but that daytime Haneda slot is allocated specifically for Australian airlines on a "use it or lose it" basis.
That was the original plan so hopefully yesSo is the bet MEL gets a Haneda service from QF?? Hoping!!
IASC would have to determine that VA is in breach of the requirements (likely with QF prodding) and give VA a chance to correct the issue. After that, IASC would then strip the slot from VA and QF would have to apply for it as normal. IASC isn't just going to gift it to QF without an application.So is the bet MEL gets a Haneda service from QF?? Hoping!!
https://www.iasc.gov.au/sites/defau...es-for-review-of-a-determination-20211220.pdfCommission-initiated review
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Unless they are DL and playing games with the slot like they were with their PDX-HND flight. DOT ended up stripping that slot from DL and reassigning it to AA.Interesting thought. The IASC determination does say they are required to "fully utilise" the traffic allocation (one flight per day). Practically though, it would be unlikely to try and remove... I can't recall any recent occasions where a traffic allocation was revoked for frequency changes, especially when the route has already been cancelled.
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Is there any specific dates that the flights have been pulled, or was the days pulled relative to low loads (so different days each week)? I could understand that certain days may have lower loads but I would expect December/January (school holidays) to be higher.So from September until the end of services in February next year, VA will only run this route 4-6 times per week.
Genuine question: if they aren't running the route daily, does this risk jeopardising the future of the slot? It's not VA's problem at this point, but that daytime Haneda slot is allocated specifically for Australian airlines on a "use it or lose it" basis.
Until 3 Sep: DailyIs there any specific dates that the flights have been pulled, or was the days pulled relative to low loads (so different days each week)? I could understand that certain days may have lower loads but I would expect December/January (school holidays) to be higher.
at the ready for further developments.
So we assume that the other days are consolidating pax booked on the non flying days presently or being "popped" onto ANA flights?Until 3 Sep: Daily
4 Sep - 8 Oct: 4 weekly (no flights Mon/Wed/Fri)
9 Oct - 23 Oct: 6 weekly (no flights Wed)
24 Oct - 4 Nov: 5 weekly (no flights Mon/Wed)
5 Nov - 11 Nov: 6 weekly (no flights Mon)
From 12 Nov: Daily
Source: Virgin Australia Reduces Tokyo Service From Sep 2024; Suspension From Feb 2025 — AeroRoutes
Either way, but they'd still have the passenger restriction due to distance /weight.So we assume that the other days are consolidating pax booked on the non flying days presently or being "popped" onto ANA flights?
Could it possibly be moving the MAX onto other routes, pending arrival of the other frames?So we assume that the other days are consolidating pax booked on the non flying days presently or being "popped" onto ANA flights?
Perhaps there will be more Max's on the SYD or MEL runs to PER!Could it possibly be moving the MAX onto other routes, pending arrival of the other frames?
I was thinking more the DPS runs, butPerhaps there will be more Max's on the SYD or MEL runs to PER!
I think they want them on profitable routesI was thinking more the DPS runs, but![]()
ADL-HBA?I think they want them on profitable routes![]()
Not sure if VA bean counters actually understand what profitable routes actually are....I think they want them on profitable routes![]()
I guess now most of those VA pax will go to ANA and they'll benefit the most.Those ANA load factors are not too hot either. I wonder how many Star Alliance pax fly to Japan via Singapore?
NH release awards about a fortnight out for J it seems and I’ve found that VA has far more availability than other partners. J seats available nearly every day in both directionsI guess now most of those VA pax will go to ANA and they'll benefit the most.
What's weird is, if ANA peaks at around 80, why are there no reward flights to be found in Jan/Feb.
NH release awards about a fortnight out for J it seems and I’ve found that VA has far more availability than other partners. J seats available nearly every day in both directions
Great. It did not deserve Haneda and Virgin are to me a budget carrier except the fares. Jetstar do a much better job. Give the slot to JQ.![]()
Virgin Australia to end its daily Cairns-Tokyo service due to reduced inbound visitors from Japan post COVID
Virgin Australia will cease operating its once daily flight between Cairns and Tokyo, Haneda from 24 February 2025.newsroom.virginaustralia.com
Always was and still is inflight service....Great. It did not deserve Haneda and Virgin are to me a budget carrier except the fares. Jetstar do a much better job. Give the slot to JQ.
I dislike Virgin now as there is no inflight service on domestic flts .
This was not the Virgin with red 737 and you got what you paid for.
I have foregone what FF points I had.