Velocity Points Transfers to Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer - Back from 21/7/22

[RAM]

As of now, SQ KF is extending the life of their miles, not sure how long this will go on for.
But, with that current benefit, it gives a bit of time more to earn VFF points, esp with FB and its partners, Coles and stores/Catch etc.
Hopefully the KF miles extension can go for maybe 3/6 more months.
My haul of VFF is about 30k, not a lot, only because I haven't flown a lot, but the most of the points comes from Coles/Catch shopping.

Current SIA policy is any KF miles expiring before 31 Dec 2022 will automatically be extended for 6 months. All under the auspices of Covid disruptions.

As luck would have it - our stash (somewhat reduced by recent J redemptions) expires late Dec. All these points dated back to the day before the VFF transfer rate was devalued.

SIA keen on their PR, notified in May that our expiring June points would be extended to December.

I wonder what the goodwill benefit (+ $5 gets you a cup of coffee?) gained vs forfeited value of KF miles looks like. Given their reluctance to end the 3 yr life that suggests it is a nice little earner.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Was thinking about moving some points across, and use (burn) them on KrisflyerVrooms to try the Movenpick Hotel in Melbourne.
Trips from Au - SIN - HND that used to be in the low $59xx in J, rev fare, not award, are now asking for $65xx odd return.
I usually buy J seats on VA with points+pay, yes, I know its a bad rate of burn, but I like to know I have the seats, rather than playing the roulette of wait and see if I get the award, (or not).
So, still need 7750 VFF points to get 5000 KF miles, seeing its 1.55 VFF to 1 KF point/mile.
Or if I move 5000 VFF points to get 3225 KF miles, plus my current stash of 3111 KF miles, 6336 could get me 2 nights under KrisflyerVrooms.

 

[MooTime]

Was thinking about moving some points across, and use (burn) them on KrisflyerVrooms to try the Movenpick Hotel in Melbourne.
Trips from Au - SIN - HND that used to be in the low $59xx in J, rev fare, not award, are now asking for $65xx odd return.
I usually buy J seats on VA with points+pay, yes, I know its a bad rate of burn, but I like to know I have the seats, rather than playing the roulette of wait and see if I get the award, (or not).
So, still need 7750 VFF points to get 5000 KF miles, seeing its 1.55 VFF to 1 KF point/mile.
Or if I move 5000 VFF points to get 3225 KF miles, plus my current stash of 3111 KF miles, 6336 could get me 2 nights under KrisflyerVrooms.

Really playing with small point values there.
Funny we all play these point, rewards, J cabin blah blah like a science, guess it is the AFF site..... Guilty here of course too.

 

[Mr H]

So, still need 7750 VFF points to get 5000 KF miles, seeing its 1.55 VFF to 1 KF point/mile.
Or if I move 5000 VFF points to get 3225 KF miles, plus my current stash of 3111 KF miles, 6336 could get me 2 nights under KrisflyerVrooms.

Are you sure you have the price right for that? It would be astonishing value.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Isn't it that you need more VFF points to get KF miles.
1.55 to 1, or 0.64 ratio.
It hasn't been a 1:1 for a long time.
I haven't flown a lot, except a very few Au dom flights, but no int SQ flight of late, did one true SQ flight MEL - WLG in their 777, before they stopped it, was planning to do more of those, but then they decided to let AirNZ have it all, in the tin can 320, without a J cabin.
Did some flights too CHC - AKL - ADL in AirNZ premY, so all up, got about under 10,000 KF miles, used it for that spoon, one redemption for part KF miles and part Aud$ for a hotel stay, and am now left with 3111 KF miles.
Also got one claim of KF miles, flying AirNZ MEL - CHC works deluxe, declined, so decided to join AirNZ dollars, then of course, covid hit, so now no ditch flying.
I haven't got any AirNZ dollars as of now, haven't collected any.
Yes, waffly too much.

 

[RAM]

Isn't it that you need more VFF points to get KF miles.
1.55 to 1, or 0.64 ratio.
It hasn't been a 1:1 for a long time.
I haven't flown a lot, except a very few Au dom flights, but no int SQ flight of late, did one true SQ flight MEL - WLG in their 777, before they stopped it, was planning to do more of those, but then they decided to let AirNZ have it all, in the tin can 320, without a J cabin.
Did some flights too CHC - AKL - ADL in AirNZ premY, so all up, got about under 10,000 KF miles, used it for that spoon, one redemption for part KF miles and part Aud$ for a hotel stay, and am now left with 3111 KF miles.
Also got one claim of KF miles, flying AirNZ MEL - CHC works deluxe, declined, so decided to join AirNZ dollars, then of course, covid hit, so now no ditch flying.
I haven't got any AirNZ dollars as of now, haven't collected any.
Yes, waffly too much.

Not sure VFF to Kris was ever 1:1 was it?

Cannot see either airline (historically) allowing the chance of a transaction fee (ratio) to go by.

Last change was from 1.35 : 1 IIRC - so effectively a 26% cost before taking into account the difference in 'fees & charges'.

If you compare redeeming 1st class on Etihad to Europe using VFF points + 'charges' to 1st class on SIA + 'charges' then the cash saving in massively lower charges makes the 36% cost of transfer much, much lower. The increase in cash cost by Eithad saw us rush a 1st class redemption on Etihad before the massive increase in their per sector charges - possibly why on leg to Germany we were the only ones in the 1st cabin. It was hard, but someone had to do it

 

[Mr H]

Not sure VFF to Kris was ever 1:1 was it?

You are correct. The best it was was 1:1.35 each way.

 

[Brizz]

Whilst the cost in points is more to book via a transfer to Krisflyer the availability of J is significantly higher once you are there.

There has been little Singapore J availability over the past 2 months via Velocity

In some respects the additional cost is moot as you can't pay for what isn't available....

 

[Brizz]

On a somewhat related note I have not seen any Etihad J availability for a while either - I wonder if this is a consequence of them now being a junior partner, or maybe just part of everyone wants to travel so availability is now snapped up earlier!

 

[Mattg]

Velocity members have access to the same seats on SQ flights that are available to KrisFlyer members as Saver Awards. However, KrisFlyer members have the added advantage (pardon the pun) of being able to book Advantage awards or waitlist for redemption seats.

On a somewhat related note I have not seen any Etihad J availability for a while either - I wonder if this is a consequence of them now being a junior partner, or maybe just part of everyone wants to travel so availability is now snapped up earlier!

Again, with Etihad, Velocity members have access to exactly the same seats that are made available by EY to other partner airlines and to Etihad Guest members as "GuestSeat" awards. There are still some seats available in J to/from Australia right now, but they are very very limited. So I'd say it's the latter - demand is high and people have just been snapping up the available seats.

 

[knagelli]

if I move 5000 VFF points to get 3225 KF miles, plus my current stash of 3111 KF miles, 6336 could get me 2 nights under KrisflyerVrooms.

What is the effective burn rate here for each point , if you were to book the hotels using currency ( not points). I am not trying to complicate but trying to understand if each krisflyer mile/point is turning out to be close to 3-4c assuming its 250 AUD per two nights stay.

 

[Mr H]

What is the effective burn rate here for each point , if you were to book the hotels using currency ( not points). I am not trying to complicate but trying to understand if each krisflyer mile/point is turning out to be close to 3-4c assuming its 250 AUD per two nights stay.

I am 99.9% certain that the figures quoted are not right - and probably out by a factor of 10 or more.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Don't know in depth.
Just that I was stuck with what to do with 10,xx_ KF miles, the mention of Krisflyervrooms came up on this forum, so came up with using P+P under it.
Maybe you need 40,000 miles per $250, or 0.00625 ratio.
P+P uses less $ of course, less points (miles) too.
But each hotel on that website has varying rates, and rate of miles needed changes if you stay 2 nights instead of 1, 3 nights instead of 2, etc.
Need an excel spreadsheet.

 

[Mr H]

Don't know in depth.
Just that I was stuck with what to do with 10,xx_ KF miles, the mention of Krisflyervrooms came up on this forum, so came up with using P+P under it.
Maybe you need 40,000 miles per $250, or 0.00625 ratio.
P+P uses less $ of course, less points (miles) too.
But each hotel on that website has varying rates, and rate of miles needed changes if you stay 2 nights instead of 1, 3 nights instead of 2, etc.
Need an excel spreadsheet.

I had not appreciated you were talking about points plus pay. It seems from this article that there is value to be had from Vrooms points plus pay provided you use the fewest miles possible. Here's why I might actually use KrisFlyer vRooms after all - The MileLion

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Straight burn of miles, yes, that is an option.
Had considered that, but as of now, ie, moving more of my VFF points to KF miles to burn points like that.
But there are no real wow hotels in Aust as of now.
So, I would probably use up as close to 3111 as I can, then give back the small left over/rest back to KF.
Off Topic, since SQ decided to give the MEL - WLG route to AirNZ, no real wow factor to fly that route in a small plane, no J/no lounge access.
I like to have my paws in many baskets, ie, more than one program, looks like it will be VFF & QF.
If SQ had continued its A350 MEL - WLG, I would have continued to fly that route, once flying opens up, but since they decided to go with partner AirNZ A320neo, nope.Back On Topic.

 

[SydneySwan]

I just went to link Mrs SS Velocity account to her Krisflyer account and it failed because apparently her Velocity account is already linked to a KF account. I realise that what has happened is that Mrs SS previously had a KF account that had points that were expiring so we transferred them to her Velocity account. Because of inactivity SIA then subsequently closed her KF account. Mrs SS then rejoined KF acquiring a new number and has accrued some points in this account that we need to top up.

There seems to be no delinking option on the Velocity website. Has anyone else had this problem and how was it resolved?

 

[kyle]

I just went to link Mrs SS Velocity account to her Krisflyer account and it failed because apparently her Velocity account is already linked to a KF account. I realise that what has happened is that Mrs SS previously had a KF account that had points that were expiring so we transferred them to her Velocity account. Because of inactivity SIA then subsequently closed her KF account. Mrs SS then rejoined KF acquiring a new number and has accrued some points in this account that we need to top up.

There seems to be no delinking option on the Velocity website. Has anyone else had this problem and how was it resolved?

Yup happened to me. I think I posted in another thread. Let me find it.

 

[kyle]

Yup happened to me. I think I posted in another thread. Let me find it.

SQ Tips, Trips and Tales

It’s time for Australia to follow suit. Hard for the nanny state to let ppl make their own choices.

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

Part of the email received asking for security details:

Greetings from Singapore Airlines.

We apologize for the delayed response and the inconvenience it has caused you, as we are experiencing high influx of emails.
In order for us to access your KrisFlyer account number xx_xx_ and assist you further, we would like to request for the following information:

Passport number or passport expiry date.
Last Accural of miles.
Number of Redemption Nominees in the account.
We seek your understanding that the above authentication measure is to avoid unintentional disclosure or change of member’s personal details to an unauthorized person.

We are looking forward to you response.

Alternatively, you may contact our Local Reservations Office and one of our Representatives will be happy to assist you.

Thank you for choosing Singapore Airlines.


Now I need to get my partner's account fixed too.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Better they ask for these details tho, than for the member to loose points to a scammer.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Can I ask the Brains Trust, how or where do I find the opportunity in the VFF website to transfer points to become miles in KF?
Ta.
Edit: can't find any section titled "member benefits"!
2nd edit: found it, its under "menu".
Sorry.
Need a postgrad cert in VFF to find it.
3rd edit: not found.
Will try again tomorrow.