Virgin blue humiliates then ignores

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I have to travel almost every week of my life and have done so for over 8 years, but I am still steaming over a flight that I took over 10 weeks ago. To cut a long story short, Virgin blue staff miss-informed me (by their own admission), and then ended up forcing me to divulge personal medical information in front of an entire aircraft of passengers, they alienated me, they humiliated me, and then one of their pilots spoke about me in a derogatory terms, labelling me in a humiliating manner, in a volume of voice that could be heard by at least 24 of the passengers on the aircraft (perhaps more): and I paid for the pleasure. Ironically this all began when they stated I could not fly because I did not have a document that their own web site states I do not have to have, and a document for which I had a much superior document in my possession. I complained using their web site complains form, and they replied once, but failed to address any of my concerns. They merely regurgitated their policy to me (of which has nothing to do with the situation), it was as if they had failed to read my letter completely. I replied twice more to the sender of the feedback email, only to receive complete silence, I know you can reply to these feedback emails. As I have done so in the past, and received a reply to my further communications.

I feel I need to get in touch with the office of Brett Godfrey, someone stated they had his address in the past; I would appreciate any feed back as to my next steep, or the address of Brett Godfrey. I cannot believe the hide of this company, if the virgin blue staff that I encountered were in the medical profession, they would be facing serious disciplinary action for breach of confidentiality, not to mention being investigated for the humiliation they caused by calling a customer names (especially when it was a pilot who carried out this behaviour, usually a model citizen) in front of other passengers. I am a professional business person with a post graduate degree, not that it should matter, but I know the meaning of abuse and humiliation.
 
Sarah,

Welcome ,
I cannot possibly comment on your ordeal as you have been too vague.
More exact information is required in order to be in a position to comment.
 
I can understand your frustration, being from Niger, but its not the way we do things in Australia.
 
You may wish to PM crazydave98 and have a chat with him. I personally do not use Virgin, but he does seem to keep an open mind on matters, and could definitely point you in the right direction.
 
Welcome to AFF.

It sounds like you're quite upset by the situation. You'll need to bombard DJ with correspondence, squeaky wheel gets the oil after all. Be sure to provide information of your extensive travel history, including flights taken where you didn't need to produce the document (with DJ if applicable). You don't indicate what compensation you're after, if any, but perhaps a letter from your lawyer might elicit a response beyond the standard replies. And yep, Crazydave88 would be a good place to start.

Good luck....
 
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For the record - the reason crazydavex8 is a DJ staffer I believe - not some random AFFer that people are suggesting :)
 
crazydave98 is actually the Program Manager for Virgin Blue's Velocity program (unless he's got a promotion since I last spoke to him, which has been a while). Not sure that he would be the best person to remit the complaint but he could follow up on the internal CS person who hasn't replied.
 
Lindsay Wilson said:
crazydave98 is actually the Program Manager for Virgin Blue's Velocity program (unless he's got a promotion since I last spoke to him, which has been a while). Not sure that he would be the best person to remit the complaint but he could follow up on the internal CS person who hasn't replied.
Umm, thanks Lindsay but actually I have had a promotion - haven't been project manager for Velocity for well over 2 years now (in fact I handed it over before the actual launch). I would be happy to follow up on a PM from [email protected] if more details can be provided.
cheers
CrazyDave98
 
CrazyDave98, don't you just hate being dobbed in ;) like in school.
But its good to know there is somebody out there that can here our voice (I hardly every fly DJ but thats irrelevent) and provide some infomation and give some feed back internally if required.
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For those who have been responding to my condition and been asking for more info, firstly let me apologise for the epic reply, I told you it was long, and please understand I am not a disabled person who thinks the world owes me, I generally like to keep my condition to myself, and live a normal life, My life defines me, not my illness. Ok, it seems as though I have to be a little more specific, which is a problem as it is a medical condition that caused all the ho-ha. Basically I am a very frequent flyer on the international circuit, but not so frequent on the domestic circuit within Australia, I do however, take about 8 flights a year with virgin blue. Due to a shortage of flights to Melbourne, I was forced to land in Sydney and commute to and from Melbourne, as I also had business in Canberra that same fortnight; I was forced to take 4 flights in total within a 14 day period. I suffer from an autoimmune disease that is very serious without regular treatments, one of which is an injection. As I fly all around the world I am VERY in-tune with the laws and procedures for carrying sharps on board an aircraft. I carry with me at all times a letter from my consultant (higher than a doctor or a specialist) that states I am fit to fly; I carry an authorisation certificate to carry sharps on board (again issued from a consultant, being higher than a specialist or a doctor). I also carry a licence to have sharps in my possession, one issued by a specialist in a highly regarded hospital in Melbourne; I also carry a permit for carrying sharps from two other countries, being Germany and Taiwan.

I made my bookings on the virgin web site, and I noticed that it stated at the time that if you suffer from an illness that you have to contact their customer support service and look at the restrictions of flying. I contacted the team, and I spoke to them for over 45 mins (3 separate phone calls on one night), I told them about all my documentation, and that I required medication that must be injected. I also looked at their web page and I found out that I did not fall into any of their very specific criteria for a ‘medical clearance certificate’ that they are now requesting sufferers of very specific conditions to carry. They also asked if I’m able to perform certain physical and cognitive acts, and I could perform all. I was assured that I had all the documentation that would be required. Flight one went without a hitch, although I had to go through a very lengthy check in process that involved two senior staff, both of which stated that all my documentation was fine, and said nothing about my documentation being lacking.

Flight two, the night prior, like a good little crippled, I made my obligatory phone call and spent a considerable amount of time informing the staff of my illness, my sharps, the documentation I had, and I answered their questions about my physical abilities (no other airline incidentally, asks this of me, and last year, I used over 17 different airlines). The day of the flight, I was checked in, again a very lengthy process, but NOBODY suggested that my documentation was lacking. The flight was good, although, I was asked to show my documentation regarding my sharps 3 times by virgin staff (again, this is the only airline that asks for my documentation, not even customs asks as they can clearly see my prescription on the bottle of the medication accompanying the sharps.) So after yet more intensive contact, everyone stated that I was ok to fly, not even a hint of a problem.

Flight number 3, and as it turns out, final flight with Virgin. The night before, I rang again like a good little crippled, only to be told that I had no right to make an online booking and that I must in the future pay the $15 phone booking fee and ring up (as I am often overseas, this cost is thus considerably higher), I suggested that this was very discriminatory, and it is surprising enough to have to call in before each flight, without now being told I cannot make bookings in the regular way. The woman apologised and became exceptionally helpful and passed me on to a person I was lead to believe to be a ‘person whose job is to assist disabled customers’ (not that I see myself as disabled). I spent over an hour on the phone with her, telling her every nitty gritty part of my medical condition, I was asked extremely personal questions, I again stated every single document that I had, and in the end, she went away and spoke to a superior personal many times, but in the end she was very happy that I had all the documentation I needed and that she had made things very easy for me, so that this time, I would feel more comfortable and there would not be the holdup at check in. (sad that on my last night with my very sick father, I had to spend over an hour of it on the phone). Check in did go ok, they took copies of some of my documents and they gave me my seat booking. My family took me to the gate and all hell broke loose, I was escorted to the front to be loaded with those needing assistance, and I was stopped (so too was the entire flight) and then I was told that I could not fly with sharps, and when I stated that that was against the Geneva convention (that states that access to medication is a basic human right) and also against countless discrimination laws, they changed their mind. In a loud voice they implied that my documentation for my sharps was questionable as my documents were not from the diabetic association (funny that, as I am not diabetic, I have an auto-immune disease). I stated that this was very limiting as there are over 13 conditions and counting that are now being treated by regular self-administered injections. But the damage was done, as far as the entire aircraft of passengers were concerned, I was carrying illicit sharps for questionable reasons, and you can bet they were all listening as it was the discussion with me that was keeping the aircraft from loading. At this time, after I started to list all the conditions that are requiring self-injection (including haemophilia and cystic fibrosis), they changed their tract, and started to say that I was actually my condition that made me unfit to fly. I stated that I had a letter from a specialist stating that I was fit to fly, but they said that because it was not on their special form, it was not legitimate (this is the same form I stated earlier, that according to their own website, I did not require, and besides that, that form only has to be filled in by a G.P., my docs were from a consultant, and less than 1 week old). I told them that in all the phone calls with them, with all the other check-in's and flights, it was crazy that nobody has asked for it, and besides that, my documentation not only covered all the points of their certificate, but it exceeded the requirements of their certificate. They stated it was not good enough and I could not fly, even though I had an international connection. At this stage, after letting the whole aircraft hear my personal info, they let them board. I continued to fight, and I stated that this was clearly discrimination, that it is hard enough to fly with a disability, but now we have to jump through hoops that no other airline asks for. My argument was that firstly, according to their own web page at that time, I did not fall into the categories that required the certificate, that they had had so many chances to inform me of the need for the form, but they had not, and finally, I am afraid of how far they are going to take this ‘special treatment and segregation of disabled passengers”.
Incidentally the ground staff and headquarters were quite happy for me to fly; it was the chief cabin attendant saying no. I even had the ground staff stating “I know you are right, but she is saying no”. Any way after all the other passengers were on board, I was given permission to fly by Brisbane HQ, but have you ever had to walk onto an aircraft knowing the people you paid to serve you, do not want you there, that the whole passenger body know your personal medical information, and that they had been led to believe that there was the possibility that you were carrying illicit sharps (for a medication that is keeping you alive and functioning!!). I thought it could not get any worse, I was boarding, and if I could just survive the death stares from the passengers and the crew, I would be ok. I was so wrong. I made it to the aisle between rows 1 and 3 approximately, when I heard a male voice from that coughpit yell out, “Is that sharps woman on board yet!), in a very aggressive and cynical tone. If I could hear it, I know every else in the immediate area could, because when I boarded, you could have heard a pin drop. Nice to know that Virgin blue pilots are taught that it is ok to call passengers derogatory names, talk behind their back, and carry out these activities within ear shot of other passengers. During the flight I heard one passenger state, something along the lines “that I was a security risk”, and another respond something along the lines of “you wouldn’t know what illegal drugs she is carrying”, another woman mumbled if she got stabbed by one of my needles she would sue me!! I had to go home to my children and face them that following day; it’s not good for the self esteem. And I paid for it, but hey, they are just doing this for my protection. Funny, other airlines offer me a sharps container and are very helpful. Anyway, I guess you had to be there. I am not sure if they have adjusted their requirements for that form by this stage, it would not surprise me if they had, after my incident with them.
 
Lindsay Wilson said:
crazydave98 is actually the Program Manager for Virgin Blue's Velocity program (unless he's got a promotion since I last spoke to him, which has been a while). Not sure that he would be the best person to remit the complaint but he could follow up on the internal CS person who hasn't replied.

Reggie said:
You may wish to PM crazydave98 and have a chat with him. I personally do not use Virgin, but he does seem to keep an open mind on matters, and could definitely point you in the right direction.

As you can see I suggested having a chat for pointing in right direction, not remitting complaints.
 
simongr said:
For the record - the reason crazydavex8 is a DJ staffer I believe - not some random AFFer that people are suggesting :)

I don't believe that anyone has made such a suggestion simongr. And no-one has suggested that he'd be able to fix the problem.
 
I also was not suggesting CDx8 could fix the problem - just trying to explain why that person was being suggested.
 
Just to let everyone know out of fairness to Virgin blue, I have just been contacted the guest relations manager and he is looking into the matter. He has already impressed me by going to the effort of calling me whilst I am overseas. He was very polite and not at all what I expected, I was waiting for him to start spouting policy to me and use it to prevent any discussion of behaviour, but he was very considerate and very happy to listen to what I had to say. Understandably he could not make any promise regarding the outcome of the investigation; however, he seems to be quite fair and impartial. I still have my reservations about the outcome though, I am afraid that the personality type who feels the need to treat me the way they did on the day of the flight (being the cabin supervisor and crew) is the same personality types that will most Likely do everything in their power to assure their senior management that they have done nothing wrong, and perhaps even throw me into the line of fire, and cover each other’s backs. I can only hope that the management will understand this self preservation instinct of their staff, and look beyond it and realise that I have more important things to do than make exaggerated and bogus complaints about an airline that I would very much like to use again in the future (depending on the outcome of this situation). I will let you all know the outcome of the investigation.
 
Excellent to hear that you are now getting the type of hearing that you want.

Sorry CrazyDave98, didn't know you'd had a promo (but then again, haven't spoken to you a while). But I know you were able to help this AFF member, that is the important thing.
 
Thank you Virgin

I posted a thread on the 20 Dec 2007 titled "Virgin Blue humiliates then ignores".
I would like to take the opportunity to inform everyone that I have received a response and Virgin has looked into my complaint and come to a decision.

I am very happy with the outcome of the investigation, it sounds as though there are going to be some real attempts at improving the situation.

I applaud this action Virgin is taking on their own back without any outside intervention. Although there is increasingly media coverage and stronger pressure being put on airlines to make travel for disabled more equitable and accessible, it is great to see an airline take the initiative.
 
Sarahs,

Good to see you come back and post a follow-up reply. Hopefully we see more of you on AFF
 
Re: Thank you Virgin

I applaud this action Virgin is taking on their own back without any outside intervention. Although there is increasingly media coverage and stronger pressure being put on airlines to make travel for disabled more equitable and accessible, it is great to see an airline take the initiative.
sarahs,

Great to see the positive outcome for you and for Virgin Blue as well. :D
 
I used to travel with a friend who is wheel chair bound and one time QF staff treated us with utter contempt.

In a chair they board you either first or last, which includes a bodily transfer to an aircraft aisle friendly airline chair. On this particular flight (QF167 SYD-CNS) from the INTL terminal we received no special intructions so duly rocked up to the gate as if regular WP customers (ie when told to by QP staff) assuming they had decided to board us last.

On arrival at the gate, the gate staff abused the **** out of us for not being early enough to get on first. In fact they were convinced we had wantonly ignored instructions to get there early (which we hadn't).

They were within a hair's breadth of a serious legal comeback, especially given that my friend's sister was a lawyer and inappropriate treatment is a hot topic when your are stuck in a chair for the rest of your life.

People also assume that if you have an obvious medical condition that your brain function is mysteriously rendered incompetent so adding to the humiliation and patronisation.
 
It's times like these that remind me of the old 'Customer Service' facts sheet.


It costs six times more to attract a new customer than it does to keep an old one.

A typical dissatisfied customer will tell 8 - 10 people about their problem.

Seven of ten complaining customers will do business with you again if you resolve the complaint in their favour.

If you resolve a complaint on the spot 95% will do business again.

Of those customers who quit, 68% do so because of an attitude of indifference by the company or a specific individual.

In summary, all these facts say ......

Customer Satisfaction Equals Success :!:
 
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