We had to do SOMETHING! QANTAS

[2353]

This is a "win" for nobody (except Virgin maybe).

Qantas is required to negotiate an agreement when Joyce's rhetoric over the weekend was the birds will only fly when the Unions accept the (only???) offer and terminate all action. The Unions probably won't get all the job security they require. Qantas also has to demonstrate "good faith" in the negotiations with people senior management probably can't stand to be anywhere near. At the end of the day - should no agreement be reached at the end of the negotiation period, the parties will end up in court and "good faith" of the parties will be one of the tests of the eventual outcome.

Meanwhile thousands have been stuffed around, the company has lost probably close to $100million, Qantas 90 years of building a reputation for quality and trust is trashed over a weekend. A lot of people who were "welded" to their QFF points have now been forced to try an alternative and have found out that really, it's not any worse that Qantas - accordingly they won't go back.

Well done Allan Joyce.

 

[medhead]

It was more like "We are dying a slow debt".

How long has he been in Australia? Everytime I hear him his accent gets thicker.

 

[under the radar]

im wondering .... if the CEO of Q had an 'aussie' accent, would peoples opinions of his actions be different... just wondering..

 

[casanovawa]

It certainly wouldn't hurt their case to be covering themselves in the aussie flag and then an aussie accent come up...

I am more used to irish and northern england accents being the stock in trade for the union movement, could almost guarantee their particular brand of ****-stirrers would be carrying on about 20 years ago whenever strikes or other industrial issues were in the media although these days they tend to be more aussie accents all round...

In general though when someone has just majorly screwed up your travel plans i doubt it matters whether they are talking swahili...

 

[munitalP]

I am actually looking at the leprechaun[SUP]1[/SUP] in a new light.

He has:

1. Bought the unions to their knees - whatever you may think about his method, it was a success and a positive outcome for Australian travellers in a number of ways, the primary one being the loading of airfare costs to cover outrageous union demands will not happen now
2. He has proven a number of our politicians to be down and out liars - thats different than thinking they are down and out liars
3. He has shown Australia how weak our countries leader is, and highlighted who really controls Australia
4. Increased the Qantas share value and it's still climbing
5. Embarrassed the naysayers and called the critics bluff - all the time wit tat silly Irish arckcent leadin some of youse to tink hes dumb!

The topic medhead is correct - they had to do something, he did something, and except egg faced union officials and pollys, the outcome was quite good[SUP]2[/SUP]



munitalP








[SUP]1[/SUP]. I have called him a leprachaun forever, so not a new sledge
[SUP]2[/SUP]. The outcome being for the general public. Many of us were affected, not to bad though considering the outcome. The bleeding hearts shown on TV - well, suck it up and fly another airline next time I guess.

 

[medhead]

Gee we're all serious today. But let me be clear, the guys accent cracks me up whenever I hear it, that is totally independent of my views on his actions.

As for the topic being correct. Well that's nice. If you read carefully you'll see I have made no comment in this thread about the correctness or otherwise of the topic or about his actions in this situation. So, with respect, don't read what isn't there. :idea: :-|

Now if we what to talk about government weakness: well I don't see that either. The government has provided an independent process that balances employer and employee rights. We can see that from the outcome this morning, we can see that from the government asking for exactly the same as what the company wanted. Much better than the one sided work choices. Much better than Abbott's communist dictatorship of having the government take over if the employers/employees can't reach an agreement. If we are going to do that then we might as well nationalise all companies immediately.


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[Princess Fiona]

Ahh medhead, I love an accent ( well I'd have to say that as I have one )
I think that AJ has managed to strike a nice balance between keeping the character of his voice and slowing it down so that he is understood.
Like myself he tends to speed up and become broader when he is a little rattled but even then I think his voice is one of his great assets in coming across as a credible leader.

 

[munitalP]

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As for the topic being correct. Well that's nice. If you read carefully you'll see I have made no comment in this thread about the correctness or otherwise of the topic or about his actions in this situation. So, with respect, don't read what isn't there. :idea: :-|

....

Whats that about - did I miss something?

 

[medhead]

After I posted and edited I remembered another accent that cracked me up - Pip's a tour guide in New Zealand. She was/is an excellent tour guide, but I couldn't help but laugh.

Probably like SWMBO and family laugh at my Queensland accent.

Whats that about - did I miss something?

I don't know, is it that I missed something?

The topic medhead is correct -

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[DC3]

Gee we're all serious today. But let me be clear, the guys accent cracks me up whenever I hear it, that is totally independent of my views on his actions.

The best one is how "the third" comes out a "dah turd".

 

[medhead]

The best one is how "the third" comes out a "dah turd".

I also like the "turdity" thousand employees who support AJ. Very unfortunate having that many thousands of employees.


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[elbarto]

I am actually looking at the leprechaun[SUP]1[/SUP] in a new light.

He has:

1. Bought the unions to their knees - whatever you may think about his method, it was a success and a positive outcome for Australian travellers in a number of ways, the primary one being the loading of airfare costs to cover outrageous union demands will not happen now
2. He has proven a number of our politicians to be down and out liars - thats different than thinking they are down and out liars
3. He has shown Australia how weak our countries leader is, and highlighted who really controls Australia
4. Increased the Qantas share value and it's still climbing
5. Embarrassed the naysayers and called the critics bluff - all the time wit tat silly Irish arckcent leadin some of youse to tink hes dumb!

The topic medhead is correct - they had to do something, he did something, and except egg faced union officials and pollys, the outcome was quite good[SUP]2[/SUP]



munitalP








[SUP]1[/SUP]. I have called him a leprachaun forever, so not a new sledge
[SUP]2[/SUP]. The outcome being for the general public. Many of us were affected, not to bad though considering the outcome. The bleeding hearts shown on TV - well, suck it up and fly another airline next time I guess.

I still don't like him, but you're right. Whether or not it was Joyce who came up with the plan, or one of the union buster on the board it has worked.

 

[Stephen65]

I don't think he is the most charismatic chap in the world but I admire his cojones in forcing this to a conclusion.

 

[Kangol]

He has:

1. Bought the unions to their knees

If there's one truth in the world, this is it.

 

[casanovawa]

Correct me if I am wrong, but this result gives them 21 days or so to try and negotiate a result or then FWA will impose a result on them??? Is that right??? If so, nothing has been ruled in or out has it (and no one brought to their knees) and if it goes to FWA some, but unlikely all, of the unions claims might still get up???

So really no one is assured of getting all or nothing that is on the table at the moment, just both parties have 3 weeks to try and control the process... Once FWA imposes resolutions on them, are they then allowed to go on strike or lock out workers if they don't like the result (which would make the whole process somewhat redundant if they were) or are they forced to suck it up and accept it and go with the results into the future??

 

[markis10]

Correct me if I am wrong, but this result gives them 21 days or so to try and negotiate a result or then FWA will impose a result on them??? Is that right??? If so, nothing has been ruled in or out has it (and no one brought to their knees) and if it goes to FWA some, but unlikely all, of the unions claims might still get up???

So really no one is assured of getting all or nothing that is on the table at the moment, just both parties have 3 weeks to try and control the process... Once FWA imposes resolutions on them, are they then allowed to go on strike or lock out workers if they don't like the result (which would make the whole process somewhat redundant if they were) or are they forced to suck it up and accept it and go with the results into the future??

Basically there is 21 days before we see what happened during the pilots strike come to pass if there is no resolution, and a very messy Christmas. As the Chinese curse goes, "may you live in interesting times", an interesting follow on from "may you come to the attention of those in authority" & "may you find what you are looking for" :shock:.

 

[medhead]

Whats that about - did I miss something?

I see the problem now I'm on a computer again. The OP in this thread was a reply to someone else. I didn't start the thread. I have no idea what happened to the other post and all that. Personally, I'd prefer this thread to not exist under my name - if it's all the same to everyone.

 

[froggerADL]

im wondering .... if the CEO of Q had an 'aussie' accent, would peoples opinions of his actions be different... just wondering..

If he had an aussie accent maybe he wouldn't have grounded the airline?

Just wondering.

 

[froggerADL]

Basically there is 21 days before we see what happened during the pilots strike come to pass if there is no resolution, and a very messy Christmas. As the Chinese curse goes, "may you live in interesting times", an interesting follow on from "may you come to the attention of those in authority" & "may you find what you are looking for" :shock:.

I'll start this by saying that you are my favourite poster on AFF Markis10. You have taught me more than anyone on AFF so it pains me to disagree with you.

As I understand the Fair Work Act, the decison by Fair Work Australia means:

1. There can be no further industrial action in this dispute by either the Unions or the employer.

2. The bargaining agents (in this case Qantas management and the Unions) have 21 days to reach agreement on the terms for the Enterprise Agreements (EAs) for the Pilots, Engineers and ground staff. That is three separate agreements and three serarate Unions, but only one employer.

2. If they do not reach agreement either party may apply to Fair Work Australia (FWA) for an additional 21 days to seek to reach agreement, if they believe that they are making progress. FWA may decide to either grant the extension or take the dispute to arbitration. There can be no further extension of the bargaining period, so a maximum of 42 days before arbitration.

3. If FWA arbitrate the dispute then FWA will decide the terms of each of the three EAs. Only the matters currently in dispute can be arbitrated, so no new issues can be raised.

4. The result of the arbitration is binding on both parties.

5. In summary, there will be no messy Christmas. At least not caused by industrial action taken by Qantas Pilots, Engineers or ground staff. Or flight attendants for that matter, as they have recently reached agreement on their EA.

It's interesting to note that Qantas have not put a proposed EA to a vote of all staff, as they are entitled to do at any time under the Fair Work Act. I can only assume that Qantas believe that the majority of their employees support their Union and would reject any proposed EA that their Unions did not support.

If there are any industrial lawyers out there, please feel free to correct me.

 

[cove]

FroggerADL your summary is the way I think it is.
No more industrial action and if there is no deal then FWA will rule whether you like that or not.
That would be a worst case scenario for the unions workforce because if it is a bad deal for Qantas international it will move that business to Singapore.