General Estate Planning issues (Wills, PoA, AHDs)

Having joint executors or joint power of attorneys can be a problem if these people are not in the same state especially when dealing with banks.
My wife and sister in law had to both attend a bank together which was difficult when one was working full time. Then getting funds transferred after 2.30 pm was not possible to another bank when the appointment made was after 2.30 pm. Well that was Westpac a few months ago and my wife is a director of a middle markets business based at that branch. I had to call to give that banker a pep talk even though I was not a nominated party.
 
Having joint executors or joint power of attorneys can be a problem if these people are not in the same state especially when dealing with banks.
My wife and sister in law had to both attend a bank together which was difficult when one was working full time. Then getting funds transferred after 2.30 pm was not possible to another bank when the appointment made was after 2.30 pm. Well that was Westpac a few months ago and my wife is a director of a middle markets business based at that branch. I had to call to give that banker a pep talk even though I was not a nominated party.
Totaly agree but unless we cut one son out entirely we have no choice. I guess being in different states is almost as bad as different country. It's the emergency stuff that's the issue. We could have had a clause that had one son not being required if they were overseas but then that makes the joint PofA pointless. Seems to me that as we did three real estate purchases and sales without seeing anyone, all done online, that banks can get their act together better.
 
POA
Horrible experience caused by joint.

If it doesn't need to be joint, don't do it.

If it does need to be joint, don't do it...it can end up with the public trustee.
 
POA
Horrible experience caused by joint.

If it doesn't need to be joint, don't do it.

If it does need to be joint, don't do it...it can end up with the public trustee.
I agree, joint is asking for trouble. Best to name in a clear order of precedence, and list as many as considered capable.

It was two decades ago but when my Father passed he was living in Paynesville. He had named joint Executors in his will, being older sister and older brother. Only trouble was older brother was living in Africa and older sister was off with the fairies in her commune era literally 6 hous away living near Port Fairy. (They have come to a more standardised sense of reality these days.)

Africa brother basically left it in Sister's hand who seems to have placed responsibility into Dad's Bairnsdale solicitor but could not seem to be bothered dealing with requests from said solicitor. They did not mean any harm, it was just not a thing they were "interested" in. Plants grown in the Otways were more fascinating to her.

It took 18 months before, at the increasing urging of us younger siblings, older brother decided to investigate what was happening during a trip back to Oz. He eventually managed to get things under way but due to the joint appointments had issues getting documentation complete.

All up it took 40 months before the estate was settled.
 
All up it took 40 months before the estate was settled.
Lucky you, that would actually be nice; 5 years and properties still not sold, letters currently between competing solicitors over the most trifling of irrelevant matters.

Don't go Joint.
 
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Some time in the past 3 weeks shifting from one hospital to another my dad has lost his Medicare card that both he and mum use.

Do you think we can call up and request new card?

FFS, he is 86 years old with very little English and zero computer skills. He cannot create a myGov account, link Medicare and request a replacement card.

Why no telephone support? I'm waiting to speak to someone about myGov. It should be much simpler for those who are computer challenged. I should be able to call and request old Medicare to be cancelled and new one issued? That would make way too much sense.
 
Some time in the past 3 weeks shifting from one hospital to another my dad has lost his Medicare card that both he and mum use.

Do you think we can call up and request new card?

FFS, he is 86 years old with very little English and zero computer skills. He cannot create a myGov account, link Medicare and request a replacement card.

Why no telephone support? I'm waiting to speak to someone about myGov. It should be much simpler for those who are computer challenged. I should be able to call and request old Medicare to be cancelled and new one issued? That would make way too much sense.
A few things may help and I have done all in similar circumstances:
1- you could set up the myGov account for him online quickly ( get a new card which is instantaneous). If you turn up to an office or telephone they will need to speak to him directly……not as easy
2- get your father/mother to sign you as contact for myGov for all comms going forward so you can speak on his behalf
3 - having a medical and enduring power of attorney is critical for ageing parents for whom you will be the interface with agencies/you do not have to have it for (2) but I recommend you get one for future in any case
4- if all else fails email local member (federal) with your concerns. You will get a reply within 24 hours

Good luck John - its a hard situation
 
@DejaBrew that just came up in the follow up call to Medicare. Maybe that's the way to go but that doesn't help with this issue.

They need to identify dad. He can't speak English and he is hard of hearing.

We'll get an interpreter. Dad can't hear on the phone.

She's laughing at me. How did we let society get to this point where we can't do anything? My brother will try calling them and if no luck then I'll call again and pretend I'm dad.
 
@DejaBrew that just came up in the follow up call to Medicare. Maybe that's the way to go but that doesn't help with this issue.

They need to identify dad. He can't speak English and he is hard of hearing.

We'll get an interpreter. Dad can't hear on the phone.

She's laughing at me. How did we let society get to this point where we can't do anything? My brother will try calling them and if no luck then I'll call again and pretend I'm dad.
Best you set it up online….
 
@JohnK - have you considered/explored Enduring Power of Attorney? Might make sense under the circumstances.
We have set up such legal documents for us and we are only in our sixties because doing it later is too late when it's really needed. I was PofA for my MIL for many years from her fifties. I didn't enact it until her sixties when she became terminal. But all the banks had been pre advised and I was instructed by her on everything. She died at 66.
 
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We have set up such legal documents for us and we are only in our sixties because doing it later is too late when it's really needed. I was PofA for my MIL for many years from her fifties. I didn't enact it until her sixties when she became terminal. But all the banks had been pre advised and I was instructed by her on everything. She died at 66.
When I fell ill I contacted my accountant and asked about estate planning. I worry that when I die assets will be sold and the dollar amount might not be as useful for my children as the income stream they generate. The income enables borrowing which leverages anything they might want to buy.
 
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We have set up such legal documents for us and we are only in our sixties because doing it later is too late when it's really needed. I was PofA for my MIL for many years from her fifties. I didn't enact it until her sixties when she became terminal. But all the banks had been pre advised and I was instructed by her on everything. She died at 66.
It's not something that anyone wants to think about, but it's incredibly important (with the caveat being that you do require complete trust in those to whom PofA is being granted). I've witnessed/experienced the challenges of not having it (one grandparent, which resulted in PofA being rapidly organised for the other ;)), but thankfully have everything in place and ready if/when needed for my remaining parent. Hopefully will never be truly required, but huge peace of mind should the time come.
 
It's not something that anyone wants to think about, but it's incredibly important (with the caveat being that you do require complete trust in those to whom PofA is being granted). I've witnessed/experienced the challenges of not having it (one grandparent, which resulted in PofA being rapidly organised for the other ;)), but thankfully have everything in place and ready if/when needed for my remaining parent. Hopefully will never be truly required, but huge peace of mind should the time come.

Both sets of parents set up the PofA for us kids so we have done the same for our kids.

We never thought we'd really need it for Mum but when we contacted our lawyer a couple of days before we knew she would pass, her advice re using it in a particular way saved us so much stress. Lawyer never charged us.

agree. Need to trust the people concerned. It costs money. It's a bit like travel insurance that isn't taken out then who then have an accident then set up a go fund me exercise. People who travel overseas then expect others to help them really CMO.
 
Both sets of parents set up the PofA for us kids so we have done the same for our kids.

We never thought we'd really need it for Mum but when we contacted our lawyer a couple of days before we knew she would pass, her advice re using it in a particular way saved us so much stress. Lawyer never charged us.

agree. Need to trust the people concerned. It costs money. It's a bit like travel insurance that isn't taken out then who then have an accident then set up a go fund me exercise. People who travel overseas then expect others to help them really CMO.
Agreed
We had all in place before we were married.
As did our parents.
We set up will/PoA for our daughter as soon as she turned 18 and including her capacity to act on our behalf when we are overseas (if necessary with sensible aunt as a cosignatory).
Now 30 - and an only child - happy to report she did not send us broke!!!
So many died in our family young and /or suddenly that we discuss these contingencies as a matter of course
 
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I'm currently navigating this quigmire that is have (some, small) assets in Australia as well as (reasonable) assets in the UK. I currently live in the UK and at this stage, no plans to relocate back to Australia.

I know I need to pull together a will in the UK, that much is certain. Do I additionally need to also write an Australian will? Or will the UK one be able to deal with everything. All beneficiaries will be in AU, regardless of where the wills are written, although if I end up doing a joint will then there may be some beneficiaries in Ireland too.

I suspect very few (if any) will have any experience with this, or even know who to suggest going to for advice (i.e., known quantity rather than contact Legal Firm X who I've heard are good with this)?
 
I'm currently navigating this quigmire that is have (some, small) assets in Australia as well as (reasonable) assets in the UK. I currently live in the UK and at this stage, no plans to relocate back to Australia.

I suspect very few (if any) will have any experience with this, or even know who to suggest going to for advice (i.e., known quantity rather than contact Legal Firm X who I've heard are good with this)?
Always a must to have things set in place regardless of where you are @Flashback (if only Flyfrequently offspring & siblings would listen)

Think other AFF's @Seat0B @Pushka have overseas offspring
Good on you for forward planning.
 
I'm currently navigating this quigmire that is have (some, small) assets in Australia as well as (reasonable) assets in the UK. I currently live in the UK and at this stage, no plans to relocate back to Australia.

I know I need to pull together a will in the UK, that much is certain. Do I additionally need to also write an Australian will? Or will the UK one be able to deal with everything. All beneficiaries will be in AU, regardless of where the wills are written, although if I end up doing a joint will then there may be some beneficiaries in Ireland too.

I suspect very few (if any) will have any experience with this, or even know who to suggest going to for advice (i.e., known quantity rather than contact Legal Firm X who I've heard are good with this)?
I know that UK son has written his will. He mentioned that he has left assets to his brother in Aus. He is only currently an AU citizen. Do you hold dual? Given that we have only written an Aus will and are leaving son in UK half our estate and have not written a UK will then maybe same applies.

Not sure why you'd do a joint will or if that's even possible. We haven't because we have stipulated some different beneficiaries. Son hasn't in the UK either.

As far as your inheritance from any Au relatives, this is what our lawyer sought advice from someone within the practice who knows. This must not be taken as legal advice for you. 😉. A is son overseas and B is son living in Aus.

Generally, inheritance of assets following a death does not trigger a liability for Capital Gains Tax (CGT) in respect of any capital gains on the asset. CGT will apply only when an executor or beneficiary disposes of an asset. Your estate will not be liable for CGT, and at the time of inheritance, neither will A or B, unless there is a disposal, such as a sale.

In some instances, a foreign resident will incur CGT on inherited assets. However:
  • cash is not a CGT asset, and therefore a distribution of cash to A will not be impacted by any CGT event; and
  • the passing of real property from your estate to A will not give rise to any CGT consequences at the time of his inheritance.
However, the sale or disposal of real estate will always give rise to CGT in Australia. This also applies to any real estate inherited via a Will (unless that property is your main residence and is sold with settlement occurring within two years of the date of death (with some time extensions possible), in which case it will be CGT exempt).

If, as a result of your Will, B inherits your main residence and it then becomes his main residence and he then sells or disposes of it, he would be entitled to the main residence CGT exemption. A as a foreign resident would not be entitled to the main residence exemption.

As per your current instructions, both A and B are to receive your real estate equally on the death of the last of you. Depending on when they sell the inherited property, they are likely to incur CGT. There are some distinctions in how that CGT event would be treated between A and B.

Foreign Resident Capital Gains Withholding

A may one day wish to sell any property he may inherit. As a foreign resident, when he does so, a 12.5% withholding tax will be payable at the time of settlement. This means that 12.5% of the purchase price, should the property be sold for more than $750,000, must be withheld by the purchaser and paid to the ATO. This tax applies to any Australian property, regardless if A is the sole owner or has only a part interest. In addition, A would have to put in a tax return and pay the remainder of the CGT calculated at the applicable tax rate. As a foreign resident, A would not be able to claim a 50% discount available to Australian residents.

The 12.5% withholding tax would not apply to a sale by B as an Australian resident, but he would nevertheless be liable for CGT, which would have to be disclosed in his tax return.

Main Residence Exemption

You have instructed that the XX property is your main residence for tax purposes. You have also instructed that the property, as part of the residue of your estate, will be left to B and Ben A on the death of the last of you.
(Discussion of property sale and CGT for an Aus resident so irrelevant to you)

A as a foreign resident, is not entitled to the Main Residence Exemption for sale of our home.

In any case, as noted above, A and B can avoid a CGT event on the sale of inherited property that was your main residence if settlement occurs within two years (or permitted extension period) of the date of death.

The take out of all of this is that cash is king for families who have family and friends overseas. I think @VPS may have some experience in this for UK inheritance issues.
 
I know that UK son has written his will. He mentioned that he has left assets to his brother in Aus. He is only currently an AU citizen. Do you hold dual? Given that we have only written an Aus will and are leaving son in UK half our estate and have not written a UK will then maybe same applies.

Not sure why you'd do a joint will or if that's even possible. We haven't because we have stipulated some different beneficiaries. Son hasn't in the UK either.

As far as your inheritance from any Au relatives, this is what our lawyer sought advice from someone within the practice who knows. This must not be taken as legal advice for you. 😉. A is son overseas and B is son living in Aus.

Generally, inheritance of assets following a death does not trigger a liability for Capital Gains Tax (CGT) in respect of any capital gains on the asset. CGT will apply only when an executor or beneficiary disposes of an asset. Your estate will not be liable for CGT, and at the time of inheritance, neither will A or B, unless there is a disposal, such as a sale.

In some instances, a foreign resident will incur CGT on inherited assets. However:
  • cash is not a CGT asset, and therefore a distribution of cash to A will not be impacted by any CGT event; and
  • the passing of real property from your estate to A will not give rise to any CGT consequences at the time of his inheritance.
However, the sale or disposal of real estate will always give rise to CGT in Australia. This also applies to any real estate inherited via a Will (unless that property is your main residence and is sold with settlement occurring within two years of the date of death (with some time extensions possible), in which case it will be CGT exempt).

If, as a result of your Will, B inherits your main residence and it then becomes his main residence and he then sells or disposes of it, he would be entitled to the main residence CGT exemption. A as a foreign resident would not be entitled to the main residence exemption.

As per your current instructions, both A and B are to receive your real estate equally on the death of the last of you. Depending on when they sell the inherited property, they are likely to incur CGT. There are some distinctions in how that CGT event would be treated between A and B.

Foreign Resident Capital Gains Withholding

A may one day wish to sell any property he may inherit. As a foreign resident, when he does so, a 12.5% withholding tax will be payable at the time of settlement. This means that 12.5% of the purchase price, should the property be sold for more than $750,000, must be withheld by the purchaser and paid to the ATO. This tax applies to any Australian property, regardless if A is the sole owner or has only a part interest. In addition, A would have to put in a tax return and pay the remainder of the CGT calculated at the applicable tax rate. As a foreign resident, A would not be able to claim a 50% discount available to Australian residents.

The 12.5% withholding tax would not apply to a sale by B as an Australian resident, but he would nevertheless be liable for CGT, which would have to be disclosed in his tax return.

Main Residence Exemption

You have instructed that the XX property is your main residence for tax purposes. You have also instructed that the property, as part of the residue of your estate, will be left to B and Ben A on the death of the last of you.
(Discussion of property sale and CGT for an Aus resident so irrelevant to you)

A as a foreign resident, is not entitled to the Main Residence Exemption for sale of our home.

In any case, as noted above, A and B can avoid a CGT event on the sale of inherited property that was your main residence if settlement occurs within two years (or permitted extension period) of the date of death.

The take out of all of this is that cash is king for families who have family and friends overseas. I think @VPS may have some experience in this for UK inheritance issues.
Yes, I was working on the basis that just a Will written in the UK should be sufficient, there's no point/purpose in writing one in Australia.

The next puzzle I'm trying to solve is how to search for lost Superannuation (in AU); as I can create a myGov account but I can't link it to the ATO.

I'm going through the process of creating myID now and I think I can get it past basic identity strength...... or maybe not. Passport, sorted.

Birth certificate? Won't accept the registration number.

Update: had to add in some 0's - 1 in front of district, 1 in front of reg number.

Standard strength now set. However, I don't think that's going to help me link ATO still!
 

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