When would inflexible changes make commercial sense?

tdimdad

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Today I came across a situation where QF followed their rulebook but was left wondering how on earth would it make commercial sense to them: inflexible approach to changing a classic reward flight in an involuntary change situation. To top it off, their IT system also offered entertainment as a side effect.

I had a CR booking for BNE-SYD (which in itself was a nice deal: Red E-Deals went for $242 but rewards were available when I booked it) for the 1810 departure. Today, at 1150 a text message "sorry, we cancelled your flight" and a few minutes later "we've rebooked you to the 1910 departure" (and the app showed that, as well). I called them soon after, asking for an earlier flight (suggesting 1710 departure). According to EF, there were 9 revenue seats available in several economy booking classes throughout the afternoon.

The call centre agent told that my booking can't be moved to any other flight. When I asked if in involuntary changes the airline would convert a revenue seat into a reward seat to accommodate the change, he said he tried to submit the request to ticketing but it came back negative. He promised to do another submission but gave no guarantees. To try my luck, I went early to the airport to see what the lounge angels can do, arriving there at about 1515 to catch any of the three earlier flights available. Again, the system said no and I was looking to spend 3.5 hours in the lounge and arrive home at about 2200 - a lot later than I wished for.

This gave me too much time to check what other options there are to get home earlier. In the meantime, the QF system had added the 1710 flight to my booking in addition to the 1910 departure. Bizarre... Went back to the lounge desk to show my double booking and asking if I actually had a seat at 1710 and after trawling through their system and a quick call somewhere, he told the same story: CR's can't be moved to another flight.

Fair enough. I went to book myself a cheap Rex flight home, happily walked to the other end of the terminal, got my ZL boarding pass, and proceeded to cancel my QF ticket at about 1600. And arrived home 2h+ earlier than the QF option would have given me. After the CR ticket's taxes get refunded later, the extra cost comes to about $100.

The commercial sense??? Me having too much empty time in the lounge pushed me to seek for a better option from the competitors. Should QF flexed the rule in an involuntary change and not leave that void there, I would happily have stayed instead of opting to hand my money over to elsewhere. Plus, QF ended up paying for my security check and lounge food (thank you very much). Tell me how does this make commercial sense to QF?

The IT entertainment came from two aspects: the booking doubling up my flights. How is this even possible in their system??? And on top of that, even after cancelling my QF ticket well before the first option, the app prompted me to board both flights. System slow, perhaps??? You can't make this stuff up, even if you would work at QF IT. I'm afraid I may now have had my first ever personal pages in the lounge, twice the same day... 🫣 🫣
 

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Not that I have an answer/the answer, and not that I have a seer ball...
They are QF after all, so don't expect any changes as of now.
Or even for the forseeble future, despite what VH says.
It will take a long time, and also the dare of her, if she decides to do something about it, to make major changes.
 
Lucky for you the opposition had a cheap fare at last minute (not always the case)
and dem golden handcuffs didn't work out even if perhaps you scored a free feed in the Lounge waithing for the system to say YES
 
Lucky for you the opposition had a cheap fare at last minute (not always the case)
and dem golden handcuffs didn't work out even if perhaps you scored a free feed in the Lounge waithing for the system to say YES
It was lucky, yes. I was surprised by that, as well, but very happily took it. And without asking, got an extra sweetener in form of seat 2C when the gate agent checked me in. And those golden handcuffs are great at times, this time they were becoming a hindrance.

I'm still shrugging my shoulders about the QF IT. It looks like my cancellation request triggered the ticketing to go through and I ended up having a ticket for both flights (the original ticket number remained, just added the earlier flight in). The system logic has a pretty funny hole in it to expect me to teleport myself SYD>BNE in about 5 mins for a timely boarding of the next flight...
 

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The system logic has a pretty funny hole in it to expect me to teleport myself SYD>BNE in about 5 mins for a timely boarding of the next flight...
Meh. 5 mins Should be enough, compared to what they regularly require on rescheduling where you are scheduled to depart somewhere before your connecting aircraft arrives.
 
I find half the problem stems from their call centres just being less competent. It would've been potentially likely if you rocked up to the airport and asked nicely there. Those guys overrode the system the last time and put me on a better flight option after a cancellation while i was at the airport.

The call centre guy was trying to find award space to put me on which meant some stupid hours sitting around in Sydney.
 
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I wonder if you might have had more success with the check-in staff? I had a QF award seat, booked via BA. Flight cancelled and auto-moved by QF.

Got to the airport to try my luck for an earlier flight. the check-in agent did a few taps and had me in a full J class revenue seat!

They treated this like an IRROPS under airport control. Couldn’t fault the service!

But yes, REX is a saviour. During the recent weather issues at MEL, VA cancelled a flight of a work colleague and the next available was 9am the next day (16 hours after schedule departure).

Walked across to REX and purchased last-minute ticket for $169. Bargain! Arrived within one hour of the VA flight.
 
I wonder if you might have had more success with the check-in staff? I had a QF award seat, booked via BA. Flight cancelled and auto-moved by QF.
Have to try that route next time. You got a very nice result out of your change. The challenge now would be to find a check-in agent. And I was hoping the lounge desk agents would have the same access, anyway (in BNE domestic, I mean the desk next to the J lounge entry).
 
This seems like incorrect advice and perhaps requiring HUACA. In the case of irrops/cancellations -- the call centre definitely has the ability to move you to another flight regardless of whether there is CR availability or not. This has been my experience with all call centres, not just Hobart and I've done it many times before.

Out of interest, when you spoke to the staff at the lounge had you already checked in bags?
 
I was going to say what @dylarr said - if they cancel your flight, you pretty much get to pick the flight you want as a replacement, and it shouldn't matter whether it's a paid fare or a CR. However, I've also had the same experience as @tdimdad, with a call centre (it was SA) insiting that I had to accept the flight I was being offered or get a refund. I persisted for a bit, got nowhere, then HUACA and had better luck the second time with as more knowledgeable agent.

I wonder if they are told to do that because it suits QF better for disrupted pax to be accommodated on weird time flights, and QF, in their arrogance, probably think that the disrupted pax will just be grateful they can still get to their destination.
 
This seems like incorrect advice and perhaps requiring HUACA. In the case of irrops/cancellations -- the call centre definitely has the ability to move you to another flight regardless of whether there is CR availability or not. This has been my experience with all call centres, not just Hobart and I've done it many times before.

Out of interest, when you spoke to the staff at the lounge had you already checked in bags?
HLO only so it would have been easy to switch to any flight.

I was thinking of HUACA but family celebrations were more interesting than hanging out with QF call centre agents. That's why the earlier arrival at the airport to see what they can do there.
 
Have to try that route next time. You got a very nice result out of your change. The challenge now would be to find a check-in agent. And I was hoping the lounge desk agents would have the same access, anyway (in BNE domestic, I mean the desk next to the J lounge entry).
Generally there's a service desk somewhere airside as well as the check in desk for Int'l connections (I just heard them telling a cancelled BNE > MEL QF633 to go to the service desk to sort out alternative arrangements as I boarded QF555 to SYD now).
 
Wait, you can cancel a ticket after checking in? Or can you access lounge in BNE without a BP?
You can "un-checkin" and then cancel. However, I am curious if OP got their points back or not as I thought normally the cancellation deadline for classic rewards is T-24. For any ticket type, you get at least your taxes back if you cancel after the deadline.
 
Given that both flights got ticketed (both on the same ticket) after I submitted the cancellation request on their website MMB, anything can happen. I got a confirmation screen for the cancellation but it listed incorrect fees & taxes (about 2.5x of what I had paid). I'll wait for the magic six weeks and start chasing it up then. And if I lose 8,000 points in this, I'll consider is as a charity donation to QF.

For @LostRedditor, I accessed the lounge with my digital QFF card but had not checked in. The app said "Check in at the airport" but I hadn't done that before the lounge entry.
 
However, I am curious if OP got their points back or not as I thought normally the cancellation deadline for classic rewards is T-24
With Qantas classic rewards you can cancel for refund (less fees) up until the departure time of the first flight in the booking.
 
I find half the problem stems from their call centres just being less competent. It would've been potentially likely if you rocked up to the airport and asked nicely there. Those guys overrode the system the last time and put me on a better flight option after a cancellation while i was at the airport.
Yes indeed.

I was flying AKL-SYD-MEL-CBR in J as a Plat recently and wasn't particularly happy with the long layovers I had in SYD and MEL.

So I went up to the desk in both lounges (SYD, MEL Business) and requested an earlier flight, if possible.

To my amazement, in each case, I was given a boarding pass for the earlier flight I requested, with a nice smile. Doesn't do any harm to ask....
 
This is not new. Ever since QF contracted the completely useless call centres overseas and gave them zero ability to help, involuntary changes have become a nightmare.
What’s worse though is the refusal to escalate. Would mind if they said they can’t help, but could transfer you, But theydoggedly refuse to put you through to anyone that could help.
 

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