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Good opportunity for independent / contract lounge operators like Plaza Premium? I suspect it will be some time before any of the major carriers set-up dedicated lounges of their own, at least for international pax. I can see a smaller QF Club or VA Lounge at Domestic working, though. On the international side, and in time, it could be that alliances or partners band together to do something, depending on success with attracting the needed volume of premium pax numbers.
 
WSI is 62 km from my house and will cost over $23 in road tolls and take more than 1 hour drive from my house. I think I will stick with Syd airport for my flights
Approx the same distance and I estimate time for me
Tolls either way
Either is good for me.
You have to remember lots of people live west of Pennant Hills road
 
Good opportunity for independent / contract lounge operators like Plaza Premium? I suspect it will be some time before any of the major carriers set-up dedicated lounges of their own, at least for international pax. I can see a smaller QF Club or VA Lounge at Domestic working, though. On the international side, and in time, it could be that alliances or partners band together to do something, depending on success with attracting the needed volume of premium pax numbers.
I know of someone who went to one of the community open days for WSI and they were told that the only airline lounges in the terminal will be common user.

I can't find anything online to verify that, so take it with a grain of salt I guess.
 
Approx the same distance and I estimate time for me
Tolls either way
Either is good for me.
You have to remember lots of people live west of Pennant Hills road
Also it could be that even dropping off at St Mary's might work out ok if the station is upgraded properly and metro zooms over.
 
The update about SQ also hinted that Qantas and Jetstar will initially be using WSI for domestic flights. This was new news I think as previously we didn't know what type of mix they'd offer.
 
The update about SQ also hinted that Qantas and Jetstar will initially be using WSI for domestic flights. This was new news I think as previously we didn't know what type of mix they'd offer.
I wouldn't be surprised that QF Group isn't committing anything right now besides domestic. Heck they won't even know what their fleet and network will look like in 2026 assuming WSI opens on time.

Will the sunrise a350 have come in? Will 321XLRs be in? Will they have their 380s all running?

Their intl ops probably is just too much in the air to commit anything. But if I were to guess, we'd likely see JQi be shifted to WSI.
 
Considering how much of QFi is SYD centric, I can’t see them expanding to WSI when even MEL & BNE are lucky to get services.

Maybe AKL but that would be about it.
 
Connectivity is an interesting point, Jetstar does have a bit of connecting traffic with its International network, be it QF or JQ, and some foreign players. They won’t really have that many connections if they move all International traffic to WSI, well not initially anyway.

AirAsia I can see. Scoot would have announced with SQ I would have though, perhaps not.

Cebu, Tway etc would be a no brainer also. The lure for WSI seems to be the ability to depart at 12/1am, might interest MH.
 
I don't think anyone is really considering connectivity from day 1. Rather this is a point to point Sydney airport that can operate at all hours and serves the demographics of Western Sydney. Like no-one is flying into London Stansted expecting to then connect onto another flight.
 
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I don't think anyone is really considering connectivity from day 1. Rather this is a point to point Sydney airport that can operate at all hours and serves the demographics of Western Sydney. Like no-one is flying into London Stansted expecting to then connect onto another flight.
Absolutely. Hopefully for those of us not living in Sydney though one day it gives us on option of a decent transfer between domestic and International rather then the current unsatisfactory setup at SYD
 
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I was going to say "cue the crowd who say this doesn't suit me", but you beat me to it.

Yes, yes, yes it won't suit lots of people, but there's a population of people about (or perhaps even greater than) the size of ADL, that are closer to WSI than SYD, and it might suit them!

Another article I saw said the catchment for WSI is 3M. Larger than majority of airports in AU.

No airport suits everyone.
 
You have to remember lots of people live west of Pennant Hills road
I pretty much live down that middle line. Once the M12 motorway connects to the airport, both SYD and WSI will be pretty much the same time wise. Would still prefer if there were easier public transport options that reduce the chances of traffic delays.
 
Yes - I really don’t know what the 100% SYD fans think is going to happen over the next 10, 20 or 30 years without WSI.

Well SYD could be expanded HKG style to have another runway floating in Botany Bay or second Sydney airport could have actually be built in Sydney.

I actually think it would be quicker to get to Newcastle on train than WSI from Central, as the central coast & hunter trains are generally express. Newcastle as the choice would also have other benefits as at least its gateway to the Hunter (a tourist attraction), nothing for international guests to do near WSI.

I mean, sure, lift the curfew. Then, do you want to catch your flight to Singapore or wherever at 3 am or do you want to travel out to WSI and catch it at 10 am?
Well at 3am I can be at SYD in Uber/Taxi 12 minutes (no traffic) for $25. Where as at 3am there is no PT available to WSI (and Uber would be over $200 negating any savings in airfares).

NSW trains/metro dont run 24 hours a day. Given the request is to be at airport 2 hours (3 hours if destination is the USA) before an international flight; even for a flight departing at 7am from WSI there is no way to PT from city of Sydney to WSI (trains dont start until 5am).

WSI may work for freight, but it is never going to be the main gateway for tourists or business travelers into NSW.
 
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Well SYD could be expanded HKG style to have another runway floating in Botany Bay or second Sydney airport could have actually be built in Sydney.
HKG closed their city airport and moved all ops to the current airport miles away. BUT, they built the Express train from the outset.
WSI may work for freight, but it is never going to be the main gateway for tourists or business travellers into NSW.
Not sure too many people are suggesting it’ll be the “main gateway” (at least for a while).

I would never say “never”. If they build an express train (not just an all stations metro), it’s quite possible that WSI could replace SYD in time but probably not in my life time….
Good luck with that.
Yes, there’s the niggly issue that NTL doesn’t have decent PT either. Quite a large air gap between Broadmeadow and Willy town!
 
Well SYD could be expanded HKG style to have another runway floating in Botany Bay or second Sydney airport could have actually be built in Sydney.
It would cost significantly more and not solve any of the commercial freight problems. On a serious note, where do you honestly think within Sydney there exists the space for another airport besides this place that the government has earmarked for the past 40 years.

I actually think it would be quicker to get to Newcastle on train than WSI from Central, as the central coast & hunter trains are generally express. Newcstle as the choice would also have other benefits as at least its gateway to the Hunter (a tourist attraction), nothing for international guests to do near WSI.

I take it you haven't caught a train to Newcastle? Its 3h unless by some miracle the HSR is built. And that's assuming nothing goes wrong which it can (not as bad as the Southern line though). Your average train will take about 45mins to reach St Marys then you swap onto the metro. It will not take more than 25-30mins from St Marys even factoring wait times.

You're looking at a journey of around 1.5hr which mind you is not that crazy if you look around the world at big city airports to downtown.

Parramatta is in its transformative phase and distance wise it'll be similar. SW Sydney is also the logistics heartbeat of not just Sydney but the whole of Australia and lots of people are living in this corner. Heck Taylor Swift went to Sydney Zoo .. TWICE (that's in Blacktown for the record).

Also as a tourist, you fly into NRT, CDG, ICN, TPE, JFK all the time. Those are all 1-1.5hr from the "city". We just have had it lucky SYD is that close to the CBD.

Well at 3am I can be at SYD in Uber/Taxi 12 minutes (no traffic) and $25. Where as at 3am there is no PT available to WSI (and Uber would be over $200 negating any savings in airfare).
I think we've well established that WSI is not near you nor for you. I can equally say the same for my friend if they want to get to SYD at 3am, that's a $150+ uber ride for them from the Blacktown area.

There will be lots of people out in that neighbourhood both western and SW that WSI is closer for.

NSW trains/metro dont run 24 hours a day. Given the request is to be at airport 2 hours (3 hours if destination is the USA) before an international flight; even for a flight departing at 7am from WSI there is no way to PT from city of Sydney to WSI (trains dont start until 5am).
I'd be very surprised if any local is departing from City of Sydney and going to WSI unless for very specific reasons. As for tourists, its one of those learning curves, vut then again I laughed at my brother for booking a 7am flight from NRT when he asked me if there was PT options and told him to shuffle himself to an airport hotel the night before.
WSI may work for freight, but it is never going to be the main gateway for tourists or business travellers into NSW.
And it's not being touted right now as the replacement for SYD. It exists to

1) shift freight to allow expansion of a highly needed capacity increase in freight delivered right next to the logistics hub of this country. SYD and Botany Bay has very limited capacity to increase logistics and warehousing space as it is.

2) As a secondary alternative in both weather events as well as late night departures/arrivals.

3) to serve the community of one of Australia's fastest growing population sectors.

Have you wondered where a lot of all those immigrants that we're having record numbers go (besides the mega rich that can afford multi-million houses outright in inner Sydney)?

2) Edit: I definitely would rather land at WSI if SYD is closed than rerouted to CBR or NTL even though I live in the lower north shore. It's a distance that a relative is "willing to drive" even if they'll grumble. Newcastle or Canberra? I'm on my own. Also I just checked for fun, its about the same distance from WSI to my place as it is from MEL to my partners parents as they live in Glen Waverley.
 
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HKG closed their city airport and moved all ops to the current airport miles away. BUT, they built the Express train from the outset.

Train from HKG to Central is 24 minutes, much much quicker than from WSI to Sydney Central.

If they build an express train (not just an all stations metro), it’s quite possible that WSI could replace SYD in time but probably not in my life time….
Hopefully I will be long dead before that ever happens.
 
Yes, there’s the niggly issue that NTL doesn’t have decent PT either. Quite a large air gap between Broadmeadow and Willy town!

It’s not that bad. It’s a direct bus from Newcastle interchange to the airport and local bus (Opal) prices. It’s not super frequent but at least hourly IIRC.

There’s also a very nice alternative of Stockton ferry from Queens Wharf to Stockton and then a short direct bus to the airport. Again all at standard opal prices and just as quick as the direct bus.

When I lived in Newcastle (Honeysuckle) and wanted to be cheap I’d go PT. Especially going towards the airport you can work to the timetables. Coming home was a gamble to see if the bus times worked out.
 
Absolutely. Hopefully for those of us not living in Sydney though one day it gives us on option of a decent transfer between domestic and International rather then the current unsatisfactory setup at SYD

Exactly. All this talk about how far by car or train to WSI for Sydneysiders at the moment. Does anyone actually think that with the airport growth, the public transport won't expand? Just like it did for SYD? And the concept that Sydney airports are just for Sydneysiders is pretty lame.

Many of us in regional areas, or even smaller capitals like Adelaide need to fly to one of the east coast cities to begin international. At the moment, I avoid SYD like the plague - the Dom-Int transfer, the old infrastructure etc. I would fly in and out of WSI over SYD any day and as I've said before, I think airlines will encourage use of WSI by fares and scheduling. Core services at SYD (with some slots opened up by moving non-core to WSI), lesser demand flights at WSI, but possible scheduled connections.

Well SYD could be expanded HKG style to have another runway floating in Botany Bay or second Sydney airport could have actually be built in Sydney.

And the noise and environmental consequences? The population density around SYD means that it will never be expanded nor things like Bankstown expanded (I know nothing about that airport, other than it exists). Considering the cost, traffic congestion, noise and everything else, no government would approve an application by SYD airport to expand. They would simply say "WTF - what are you thinking? We've got this new international airport at WSI, with expansion built in. You were offered first right to build and develop it, but you declined. Tough."
 
It would cost significantly more and not solve any of the commercial freight problems. On a serious note, where do you honestly think within Sydney there exists the space for another airport besides this place that the government has earmarked for the past 40 years.

Well my preference is to remove SYD curfew and expand SYD into Botany Bay adding a genuine 3rd runway (not one that criss crosses the other 2) and possibly a 4th runway.

Also Bankstown could have been converted to a freight airport.

Noting WSI's location was only confirmed in 2014 (that is only 10 years by my count), had governments actually planned properly for growth 40 years ago there would have been plenty of land on outskirts of metro Sydney already on rail lines. In the 80s (40 years ago) 5 mins past Liverpool station was all hobby farms (which could have been acquired cheaply).

I take it you haven't caught a train to Newcastle?
Nope and I admit to confusing with central coast (also a place with plenty of undeveloped land 40 years ago).

Your average train will take about 45mins to reach St Marys then you swap onto the metro. It will not take more than 25-30mins from St Marys even factoring wait times.
But you have to get to central first to then get a train that goes to St Mary's so 1.5hr best case scenario to get to WSI (and if charges are similar to current airport access fee then more expensive than a Uber in peak time to SYD).

I think we've well established that WSI is not near you nor for you. I can equally say the same for my friend if they want to get to SYD at 3am, that's a $150+ uber ride for them from the Blacktown area.

But they chose to live that distance from the existing airport. I chose to buy within 30 mins of SYD, and if anything other than LCCs go to WSI it makes flying impractical for me or my fellow frequent flyers who routinely need to land at MEL by 7:30 to be confident of making 8:30am meetings in CBD.

I'd be very surprised if any local is departing from City of Sydney and going to WSI unless for very specific reasons.
My point exactly, its not a reasonable commute whatsoever for any local (or tourist) living (staying) in the city, eastern suburbs, north shore, inner west, southern suburbs, a huge chunk of West (i.e. Strathfield to Paramatta) and a lot of the South West (Bankstown).

As for tourists, its one of those learning curves, vut then again I laughed at my brother for booking a 7am flight from NRT when he asked me if there was PT options and told him to shuffle himself to an airport hotel the night before.

There isnt exactly a plethora of hotels planned for WSI. Have any 4 star offerings been announced? At least at LHR you have a Sofitel connected to the terminal.

2) As a secondary alternative in both weather events as well as late night departures/arrivals

Interesting, right now if a plane diverts to CBR or BNE due to weather QF put you up in a hotel overnight. I imagine if you end up at WSI (instead of SYD) that QF wont be stumping up the extra $170 in Uber fares to get you back to your home in Sydney.
 
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