WSI for Western Sydney Airport

[moa999]

But then you're essentially back onto the Sydney Trains Line to go anywhere

Which isn't imho an issue.. as described by RMTransit Sydney's "Metros" are really just a Sydney Trains 2.0 (i.e a hybrid suburban/ rapid system) just with a few more features that make them Metro like

If the Tangara replacement (likely for T4) is single deck, three door per carriage with screen doors at many stations but still with a driver (given interaction with South Coast train).. is that a metro or a train. Remember until the 1970s Sydney's system was mostly single deck trains.

 

[p--and--t]

Philippine Airlines and VietJet look to community connection near Western Sydney Airport - Travel Weekly

Philippine Airlines and VietJet to explore services to Western Sydney Airport given its proximity to the Filipino and Vietnamese diaspora.

travelweekly.com.au

 

[justinbrett]

Qantas Freight has become the first cargo airline to sign on to using WSI. Not entirely surprising.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-freight-joins-western-sydney-international-airports-new-24-hour-cargo-precinct/

 

[jase05]

Qantas Freight has become the first cargo airline to sign on to using WSI. Not entirely surprising.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/qantas-freight-joins-western-sydney-international-airports-new-24-hour-cargo-precinct/

Not surprising as freight has been one of the key drivers and we have known for some time that we will be the first ones in there

 

[RooFlyer]

Interesting snippet from VA's QR announcement today. I'm not sure if the second para flows from the first, or if the first is open-ended (as in, using WSI for their "Sydney" VA flights to DOH).

Ms Hrdlicka noted that she was particularly excited by the potential to expand the two airlines’ relationship into new areas such as sustainability and development of the western Sydney aviation ecosystem, including broader jobs and training opportunities.

“Sustainable Aviation Fuel will play a critical role in aviation’s long-term decarbonisation effort. Virgin Australia has been an active participant in the Federal Government’s Jet Zero Council, and we expect our partnership with Qatar Airways to support SAF opportunities in a manner consistent with the Federal Government’s Future Made in Australia agenda,” she said.

 

[justinbrett]

Interesting snippet from VA's QR announcement today. I'm not sure if the second para flows from the first, or if the first is open-ended (as in, using WSI for their "Sydney" VA flights to DOH).

With respect I think this a great example of saying all the right things whilst committing to absolutely nothing. “Development of the western Sydney aviation ecosystem” - what the hell is that? That could mean anything. Or nothing.

I can’t see any of their DOH services moving to WSI.

 

[kamchatsky]

With respect I think this a great example of saying all the right things whilst committing to absolutely nothing. “Development of the western Sydney aviation ecosystem” - what the hell is that? That could mean anything. Or nothing.

I can’t see any of their DOH services moving to WSI.

The key word is "potential". They can write anything after it and they don't have to do anything with it.

 

[RooFlyer]

With respect I think this a great example of saying all the right things whilst committing to absolutely nothing. “Development of the western Sydney aviation ecosystem” - what the hell is that? That could mean anything. Or nothing.

I can’t see any of their DOH services moving to WSI.

Agree it commits to nothing (what announcement does these days ) but its still interesting that western Sydney was mentioned; why? Looks to me like some carrot may be offered to the government to approve the investment. Climate action!

Can't see any QR services moving to WSI either, but what about the new VA services from Sydney to DOH? Would the slots be available for those additional flights from SYD? Again, some grease for the approval processes - look, we are going to use the shiny new airport, jobs, blah blah. That way also, the new VA service wouldn't compete head-to-head with QR's service from Sydney.

EDIT: I guess there may be a gap between WSI availability and the Sydney services, if the touted commencement sticks. But the intention will be there

 

[jrfsp]

The only way QR/VA would operate WSI-DOH is if it was excluded from the bi-lateral which it doesnt seem to be.

Freight movements however.....

 

[jase05]

With respect I think this a great example of saying all the right things whilst committing to absolutely nothing. “Development of the western Sydney aviation ecosystem” - what the hell is that? That could mean anything. Or nothing.

I can’t see any of their DOH services moving to WSI.

IPerhaps they are looking at freight options

 

[Harrison_133]

Can't see any QR services moving to WSI either, but what about the new VA services from Sydney to DOH? Would the slots be available for those additional flights from SYD? Again, some grease for the approval processes - look, we are going to use the shiny new airport, jobs, blah blah.

Perhaps unrelated, but I wonder what VA have planned for domestic flights out of WSI...

 

[elanshin]

Perhaps unrelated, but I wonder what VA have planned for domestic flights out of WSI...

They should. If they don't then that's just giving the buck all over to QF Group.

 

[jase05]

They should. If they don't then that's just giving the buck all over to QF Group.

They will most certainly be flying domestically out of there.

 

[Lynda2475]

They will most certainly be flying domestically out of there.

Of course, expect all the budget airlines to favour WSI and I'm sure there will be government incentives.

Full service otoh will hopefully stay at SYD.

 

[SYD]

Probably paywalled, but first test flights out of WSI start today.

First plane to touch down at Sydney’s new international airport

It will be a historic moment for the first major airport to be built in Australia since Melbourne’s Tullamarine more than 50 years ago.

www.smh.com.au

I’m still surprised that’ll be 2 more years of testing and certification before commercial PAX operations commence.

I suspect the all digital ATC “tower” (first of its kind in Oz) might be the long pole in the tent there?

 

[jase05]

Of course, expect all the budget airlines to favour WSI and I'm sure there will be government incentives.

Full service otoh will hopefully stay at SYD.

You do know that they can operate out of both.
QF will be flying domestically out of there from day 1 too.
There are several International airlines that have signalled their intent to fly out of WSI already with more to come.
No reason why both airports can’t co-exist and people have the option of using whichever one suits your schedule or needs. You won’t be forced to use one or the other

 

[Lynda2475]

You do know that they can operate out of both.

That may be the case for routes with high daily frequency. But niche routes where airlines only run 1 flight a day (or fewer than 7 flights a week) certainly wont be operating out of both.

Doubt you are going to see premium routes with F flying from WSI.

QF will be flying domestically out of there from day 1 too.

For freight and I imagine a few token routes for the leisure traveler like OOL (in school holidays) and maybe 1 in 4 (more likely 6 or 8 less) of the SYD-MEL.

As someone who flew between 6am and 7am from SYD to MEL regularly for work day trips and the planes were chockers; people wont want to be leaving home at 3am to travel 90min to 2 hours to get WSI when they can get to SYD in 10-30 mins.

There are several International airlines that have signalled their intent to fly out of WSI already with more to come.

Ensuring they wont get any business from me. Again I imagine will be discount non-business traveler heavy i.e. Bali routes.

No reason why both airports can’t co-exist and people have the option of using whichever one suits your schedule or needs. You won’t be forced to use one or the other

They will coexist, but I still predict WSI will be a Avalon type dud and will cost us tax payers a bomb to have to incentivize get people out there given how far it is from Sydney.

 

[justinbrett]

Agree it commits to nothing (what announcement does these days ) but its still interesting that western Sydney was mentioned; why? Looks to me like some carrot may be offered to the government to approve the investment. Climate action!

Can't see any QR services moving to WSI either, but what about the new VA services from Sydney to DOH? Would the slots be available for those additional flights from SYD? Again, some grease for the approval processes - look, we are going to use the shiny new airport, jobs, blah blah. That way also, the new VA service wouldn't compete head-to-head with QR's service from Sydney.

EDIT: I guess there may be a gap between WSI availability and the Sydney services, if the touted commencement sticks. But the intention will be there

VA already has lots of slots. It could easily poach one from domestic to use for DOH.

As for the western Sydney thing (note it doesn’t actually mention airport), this is likely to offset the main criticism of the announcement that the VA flights will be entirely crewed with offshore jobs. So of course they’ll be clutching for any prospect of creating secondary jobs.

It’s just typical corporate speak, and yes QF does the same. Par for the course.

 

[jase05]

That may be the case for routes with high daily frequency. But niche routes where airlines only run 1 flight a day (or fewer than 7 flights a week) certainly wont be operating out of both.

Doubt you are going to see premium routes with F flying from WSI.


For freight and I imagine a few token routes for the leisure traveler like OOL (in school holidays) and maybe 1 in 4 (more likely 6 or 8 less) of the SYD-MEL.

As someone who flew between 6am and 7am from SYD to MEL regularly for work day trips and the planes were chockers; people wont want to be leaving home at 3am to travel 90min to 2 hours to get WSI when they can get to SYD in 10-30 mins.


Ensuring they wont get any business from me. Again I imagine will be discount non-business traveler heavy i.e. Bali routes.


They will coexist, but I still predict WSI will be a Avalon type dud and will cost us tax payers a bomb to have to incentivize get people out there given how far it is from Sydney.

We will see. You are one person, there are millions that will use it and it won’t even be comparable to Avalon.
Like it or not it will be a success and no one is forcing you to use it but it gives the millions of others in Sydney another option plus giving options to others around Australia to avoid the debacle of SYD if WSI gets their act together

 

[RooFlyer]

As someone who flew between 6am and 7am from SYD to MEL regularly for work day trips and the planes were chockers; people wont want to be leaving home at 3am to travel 90min to 2 hours to get WSI when they can get to SYD in 10-30 mins.

You still don't seem to realise that there are a few million people 'out west' and who also fly. AND "they" currently have to shlep 90 mins or more to SYD to catch their 6am flights. Not the 10-30 mins enjoyed by those in the 'east'.