Qantas Our Spirit Flies Further East Coast to London Non Stop by 2022

[Ansett]

Today we announced the future of aviation to take Australia further.
Are you ready The Boeing Company and Airbus?


http://www.traveller.com.au/qantas-...from-sydney-melbourne-brisbane-by-2022-gy31an



Whilst these proposed Ultra long Haul Flights are inevitable I am not keen to try these especially if the configuration is going to be as the 787-9 in economy.

How do you keep people entertained and calm in a close environment for such long times?

Would you travel that far and that long?

 

[andyhui01]

I don't see that happening. Qantas isn't a huge customer for either company, the current range of ULR jets are satisfactory for the ME3 and Asian airlines.

Plus, I would guess that the ME3 (Particularly EK) will be using the A380 order numbers as a negotiating tool to convince them it isn't a good idea. Without EK, there will not be any new A380s very soon.

 

[kpc]

I bet you QF will want (try) to charge a premium for the non stop East Coast to Lhr flights. I'll be very happy to continue the 1 stop flights to stretch the legs, have a shower etc. Even if in F (which almost certainly won't be present), it will be a nightmare. Recently I flew Syd-Dfw in J, and couldn't wait to get off!!

 

[Himeno]

I don't see that happening. Qantas isn't a huge customer for either company, the current range of ULR jets are satisfactory for the ME3 and Asian airlines.

Why do you say that? Boeing invited Qantas along with a handful of other airlines to help design the 777. Boeing also built the 747-400ER for Qantas. No other airline wanted 744ERs and the 6 QF got were basically the last 747-400s built.

 

[kevrosmith]

I know it's only a picture for marketing, but interesting that they show Cape Town and Rio as potential long distance destinations...

 

[pauly7]

I don't see that happening. Qantas isn't a huge customer for either company, the current range of ULR jets are satisfactory for the ME3 and Asian airlines.

Plus, I would guess that the ME3 (Particularly EK) will be using the A380 order numbers as a negotiating tool to convince them it isn't a good idea. Without EK, there will not be any new A380s very soon.

But think of the other carriers that have been butchered by the hub carriers/ME3 who sit on rich home populations... they would be salivating at the chance to get these airframes too to replicate a QF type approach.... BA for example.

 

[Himeno]

But think of the other carriers that have been butchered by the hub carriers/ME3 who sit on rich home populations... they would be salivating at the chance to get these airframes too to replicate a QF type happroach.... BA for example.

As would airlines wanting to do east asia-south america. JL could use a new ULR aircraft to resume service to Brazil which they previously had tagged to a JFK flight.

 

[andyhui01]

As would airlines wanting to do east asia-south america. JL could use a new ULR aircraft to resume service to Brazil which they previously had tagged to a JFK flight.

That is a long and skinny route though. Not quite 777/a350UULR routes. Maybe 787ULR

but in a generation, it could change

 

[TomVexille]

Well SYD-JFK is only 359nm longer than SIN-JFK, for which Airbus is developing the A359ULR. At the end of the day it's all going to depend on either Boeing or Airbus providing QF with an airframe that's capable of flying the distance with a full load (IIRC the proposed designs have the legs, just not fully loaded).

 

[juddles]

...Recently I flew Syd-Dfw in J, and couldn't wait to get off!!....

I feel that even flying SYD - BNE

 

[pauly7]

I would 100% take this flight in J (all my OS travel is J minimum). Anything to reduce the amount of flights and time spent flying is a win for me. I have 6 flights in next three days and feel ill at the thought

 

[JohnK]

I bet you QF will want (try) to charge a premium for the non stop East Coast to Lhr flights. I'll be very happy to continue the 1 stop flights to stretch the legs, have a shower etc.

I hope they do a charge a premium for non-stop flights which would make the 1 stop flights cheaper.

What I would hate to happen is non stop flights becoming the cheaper option and paying a premium for 1 stop flights.

 

[Mattg]

I hope they do a charge a premium for non-stop flights which would make the 1 stop flights cheaper.

What I would hate to happen is non stop flights becoming the cheaper option and paying a premium for 1 stop flights.

The non-stop flights will cost more to operate, so if the airline can't generate a higher revenue than it could with a 1-stop flight, you can bet the non-stop option won't stick around for long.

 

[dajop]

Well SYD-JFK is only 359nm longer than SIN-JFK, for which Airbus is developing the A359ULR. At the end of the day it's all going to depend on either Boeing or Airbus providing QF with an airframe that's capable of flying the distance with a full load (IIRC the proposed designs have the legs, just not fully loaded).

One of the challenges I assume with SYD-JFK (or SYD-LHR) is that it must ply the same route in both directions. Planes flying SIN-NYC-SIN can pick up the "tailwinds" by not only by heading east on the outbound but also heading east on the return (or taking polar route on the return as dictated by weather). SYD-JFK similar to SIN-EWR, but no similar "short cuts" on JFK-SYD, stuck with the whole route in a westerly direction.

 

[Himeno]

One of the challenges I assume with SYD-JFK (or SYD-LHR) is that it must ply the same route in both directions. Planes flying SIN-NYC-SIN can pick up the "tailwinds" by not only by heading east on the outbound but also heading east on the return (or taking polar route on the return as dictated by weather). SYD-JFK similar to SIN-EWR, but no similar "short cuts" on JFK-SYD, stuck with the whole route in a westerly direction.

It depends on the weather at the time.
With the old SQ A340 SIN-NYC flights, sometimes they went north over China, Russia and the pole, other times they went east over Japan and the Pacific. They also had return flights heading east over the Atlantic and Europe.

 

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[dajop]

It depends on the weather at the time.
With the old SQ A340 SIN-NYC flights, sometimes they went north over China, Russia and the pole, other times they went east over Japan and the Pacific. They also had return flights heading east over the Atlantic and Europe.

Yes indeed was that not what I was saying? Although I never lucked in with the polar route when I took the flight, always the easterly routes (east of JPN->Alaska->Canada->EWR->ARN->DEL->SIN).

The point was there is choice of routes depending on weather, and one of the neat things about the route that westerly bound flights were not necessary (always polar or east bound). SYD-JFK has no such choice, it must face the fairly common headwinds when travelling back to SYD.

 

[UP4014]

I know it's only a picture for marketing, but interesting that they show Cape Town and Rio as potential long distance destinations...

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Isn't Cape Town coming anyway, thought I read something somewhere.....

 

[JohnK]

The non-stop flights will cost more to operate, so if the airline can't generate a higher revenue than it could with a 1-stop flight, you can bet the non-stop option won't stick around for long.

I'm not convinced PER can make the non stop flights work.

Also if I were on the East Coast I'd be flying via SIN/HKG with roughly equal length flights than via PER where it would be 5 hours followed by 20 hours after a 1 hour transit.

So using my logic above I'd expect at some point I'd be forced onto SYD-PER-LHR as a cheaper option and paying a premium for SYD-SIN-LHR.

Not quite the same but similar for a long time SYD-PER-SIN was cheaper than SYD-SIN as the PER-SIN flights had awful loads and QF was maintaining 2 flights/day.