How many ff programmes should I belong to?

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Would love some advice regarding the membership of ff programmes. Currently belong to QF (but never seem to be able to redeem points for flights, even with the wonderful Award Assist people), Velocity, Etihad, and Aeroplan and Krisflyer. Is it better to only have a couple of memberships and try for more points in each? Am taking 2 trips this year (business class) with American and Hawaiian - do I put points into Qantas and Velocity respectively or join those airlines' programmes?
 
Difficult question as there are so many variables:

First of all join as many as you can. Krisflyer is the only one that seems to offer occasional points bonuses for new members. Some schemes require the account to be open for a period of time before being allowed to do things such as buy miles

The real question is which programs should you credit your flights to.
This will depend on an number of things such as:
1) can you achieve status (and do you want/need to) on a particular airline (or airlines) as a byproduct by doing so
2) what is the the earn rate on any particular flight for the programs (wheretocredit.com is a resource)? Would need to factor in any status bonuses to this
3) what is the inherent value of a point-this is closely related to the 'burn rate' i.e how cheap are redemptions both in terms of points and taxes? Also what sort of redemptions are you looking to make (short-haul, long-haul, Y, J, F, multiple travellers at once)
4) can you stock up a useable stash of points (4000 points in an individual program is next to useless whereas combined with other points to make a premium redemption can be quite valuable) from flying, credit cards , and other avenues?
5) are you travelling with your own money so that finding the absolute best fare is a priority?

The majority of Australian-based flyers will find sticking with QF and/or VF offer the best fit because of (1) and (4). However, they are not the strongest currencies on a per point basis (I would rank AS>AA=BA=KF=CX>VA>QF>EY>EK but that is based on my priorities and ability to earn). QF does have its sweetspots such as the One World Awards
If you find yourself repeatedly travelling to Europe, Asia or US, worth researching their local schemes
Amex cards (and some others to a lesser extent) offer the flexibility to transfer to a number of FF schemes

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I think it is best to restrict your 'earn' to a few programs - Qantas and Virgin Velociy are obvious for Australians, and maybe one Star Alliance airline as well - probably SQ Krisflyer, due to its relationship to Virgin and velocity.

But there are good reasons for joining other programs. For instance, you can buy miles on many US FF programs (AAdvantage, United, Alaskan etc). There are not good value unless combined with one of their regular (very regular!) bonus schemes - sometimes they offer 50+% bonus miles if you buy a certain amount. It was better when the A$ was nearer parity with US$, but there is still a place for buying these miles - the cost to buy and redeem is usually cheaper than, say buying the fare on American. Alaskan is a good one - you can uy their miles and redeem on all sorts of partners, including Qantas, Cathay, Delta (I think etc).

However, putting points from flying with someone like American can be fraught - not much point (vs crediting to Qantas) unless you will gain status with AA, and there are other hurdles there - such as minimum spend or #flights with them.

I wouls stick to the three core schemes for earn - but join others to be able to buy miles and also for news and offers.
 
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Because of blissful and total FF ignorance - I've managed to accumulate lifetime status with Qantas. This has only occurred due to faithfully flying within the one FF scheme.

On approach to this LTG nirvana - I had looked forward to being very promiscuous .... however, I find myself remaining totally faithful :confused::rolleyes::eek:
 
I think it is best to restrict your 'earn' to a few programs - Qantas and Virgin Velociy are obvious for Australians, and maybe one Star Alliance airline as well - probably SQ Krisflyer, due to its relationship to Virgin and velocity.

But there are good reasons for joining other programs. For instance, you can buy miles on many US FF programs (AAdvantage, United, Alaskan etc). There are not good value unless combined with one of their regular (very regular!) bonus schemes - sometimes they offer 50+% bonus miles if you buy a certain amount. It was better when the A$ was nearer parity with US$, but there is still a place for buying these miles - the cost to buy and redeem is usually cheaper than, say buying the fare on American. Alaskan is a good one - you can uy their miles and redeem on all sorts of partners, including Qantas, Cathay, Delta (I think etc).

However, putting points from flying with someone like American can be fraught - not much point (vs crediting to Qantas) unless you will gain status with AA, and there are other hurdles there - such as minimum spend or #flights with them.

I wouls stick to the three core schemes for earn - but join others to be able to buy miles and also for news and offers.

This is exactly the approach I take.
 
My approach is similar to Roo Flyer and Princess Fiona. My main FF programs are Qantas, Velocity, Krisflyer, American and Avianca....this covers both OW and *A...I have FF accounts with many more but don't really use them. I use Award Wallet to keep track of them all :)

I have used Malaysian in the past when they have 50% off awards (TF from Amex) and am currently trying to learn more about Cx's Asia Miles.
 
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I think having 2 FFP initially if you're Oz based is a good approach. If VA and you want to redeem with SQ then you need to add SQ as a FFP. Also handy to direct your *A flights there if they don't accrue to VA.

QF is worth signing up for given you can also earn on the ground and also gives you somewhere to accrue OW flights.

I joined with AA to buy miles. If you're going to buy and redeem then there's a few of those FFPs around.

I would only add more FFPs if you have reached status tiers with your main flying accrual FFPs that you are happy with and want to post excess flights elsewhere in a FFP that you will use the benefits.

It means a bit of homework for this last one. If you're Oz based though then VA and QF are the obvious sign up choices. You can always change down the track if you find the benefits aren't as useful as you thought they would be.

If you're after status then focussing on just one FFP may be the way to go initially.
 
Good thread this one. The model presented by previous posters is flexible depending on your needs but seems to have two levels. Below is my experience so far.

1. I have Velocity, Singapore and Qantas. So far I have booked award J return to LAX with Virgin and F return to CDG with Singapore. My QF stash is building as I've started travelling more with work and did a status match.

2. I am starting to explore some of the other award programs mentioned previously such as American, United, Alaskan also British, Cathay and possibly Avianca and Aegean. These programs will be for status matches, buying miles, crediting AMEX or other CC points.
 
I am a member of many FF programs but that is mainly so I can view various award availabilities (eg BA to view both BA and JL awards). Generally send points to either QF or SQ.
 
I think it's always good to have both QF and VA given the ground-based earning opportunities. After that, it really depends on flying patterns.
 
The number of FF schemes should largely reflect your likely points earn from either flights or cards. Don't see much point having 100K of points in 5 FF programs when you could have one with 500K points.
Award flight availability is a major problem not just with QFF and have noticed even SQ starting to get harder particularly for their saver reward seats are getting harder though their standard reward seats requiring significantly more points burn still readily available.
My preference would be SQ (my favourite airline) and QF mainly since their tie up with EK and availability, otherwise VA also very handy. apart from missing out on EK flights, CX offers better value than QF particularly for long haul. If mainly US bound, VA and DL (getting very hard to redeem to) are handy for direct flights to west coast with EY using VA points/EK using QF points/CX using QF points are handy for one stop east coast flights.
 
Personally I will belong to any FF program that I can extract a meaningful advantage out of. What the "meaningful advantage" is, is of course different for us all.

This varies as opportunities come and go. And as noted already in this thread some FF Programs that advantage is just visibility of what redemption are available which is handy for Alliance or Partner Redemption.

Currently the ones I have points with are Krisflyer which is my program of choice. But also use QFF and VA (mainly as points to both often come free, or at low cost, despite the shortcomings of both programs) and Enrich (MH).

While I am am a member of Life Miles I have never bought points as I have to date been able to generate enough free or cheap points in various programs for my flying needs.

My British Airways remains open but now unused after the passing of the once lucrative BMI Program.

Asia Miles still threatens to gain some points to me. It is just that the routes it is good to redeem on I am yet to visit.
 
I only belong to QFF, and thus typically only fly with QF and their partners. In terms of how many programs a person should belong to, well that depends on their flying. However in the OP’s case I would recommend that they pick one program, and then only fly with that airline / that airlines partners whenever possible.

A FF program is a loyalty program, so naturally they typically provide the best perks to those customers whom fly with the airline /partners, and purchase what the airline wants you to purchase via the airlines preferred methods (eg airline branded CC’s). Most FF programs have some sort of status attached, and typically they will reserve the best perks for the higher status pax. These can include better choice of seating, lounges, premium support both phone / and at the airport, etc… and of course bonus FF points and better award availability, so it’s quicker to earn points, and easy to use them.
At the lowest level of the FF ladder, FF points are much more difficult to earn in serious numbers, and certainly much harder to use the meagre scraps which are given to the “no status” levels.

Personally I would only ever consider joining a second FF program should I be high enough status in my first, with a guarantee that I’ll earn that status again next year, I would then make sure all my flights will earn status against that program. But that's just me.
 
I only belong to QFF, and thus typically only fly with QF and their partners. In terms of how many programs a person should belong to, well that depends on their flying. However in the OP’s case I would recommend that they pick one program, and then only fly with that airline / that airlines partners whenever possible.

A FF program is a loyalty program, so naturally they typically provide the best perks to those customers whom fly with the airline /partners, and purchase what the airline wants you to purchase via the airlines preferred methods (eg airline branded CC’s). Most FF programs have some sort of status attached, and typically they will reserve the best perks for the higher status pax. These can include better choice of seating, lounges, premium support both phone / and at the airport, etc… and of course bonus FF points and better award availability, so it’s quicker to earn points, and easy to use them.
At the lowest level of the FF ladder, FF points are much more difficult to earn in serious numbers, and certainly much harder to use the meagre scraps which are given to the “no status” levels.

Personally I would only ever consider joining a second FF program should I be high enough status in my first, with a guarantee that I’ll earn that status again next year, I would then make sure all my flights will earn status against that program. But that's just me.

While I understand that suits your needs and earning patterns, there are also may people such as myself who do not pay for flights often (or at least no longer do as I am a lapsed air-warrior) and so "ëarning" status through flying would result in no benefit. What is best will vary for each of us. The OP only mentions two flights, though she may well fly more.

Gaining and retaining status is an important strategy for many and in particular where there are works flights to assist with earning it. For others though it is a pointless exercise and it can be more effective to achieve benefits through other means.

To achieve my flight comfort, lounge access and priority check-in for international long haul flights I only fly J or F by redemptions (others may buy tickets) and I achieve this by super-charging both my "earn" and "burn" by being in multiple FF programs.

Being in multiple allows:
- To earn points that may only be achievable to that program. ie Woolworths Shop to QFF, Coles to Velocity (Or another non QFF Program). CC sign on bonii to Velocity etc. Point Proms like this weeks CrownBet (an easy 10,000 points for the family to Velocity)
- To allocate points to a particular program based on what is achievable on any given day. ie airline shopping portals often have bonus point specials. So for example who I buy eBay though varies on this.
- To allocate points from any particular hotel or car-hire etc to the FF program that earns more points. Special can make his very attractive on occasion.
- To redeem for the route you want at the cheapest point cost as all programs have their wrinkles.
- Plus each program will have booking discounts from time to time
- Each program may have transfer in points from time to time (ie To go to Africa I took advantage of 20% bonus to move points in and another 20% to redeem)
- To have the choice of which airline I redeem with (ie cheapest points cost is not always the flight experience I want)

I would estimate that by super-charging my earn and burn in this way would effectively double the benefit in terms of J/F flights that I actually achieve if I stuck to only one FF program.


The other big benefits from being a multi-FF er is availability and choice. If had stuck to just QFF I would find it much harder to actually redeem for when, where and how I wish to fly.
 
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Part of the answer to your initial question is complicated by the (rather drastic) changes in FF programs over the last three years or so.

Eighteen years ago I joined QFF as we were off on a LONE5 RTW trip and I live in Australia. Twelve years ago I revisited the RTW with a DONE5 exCMB and thoughts I would thereafter be likely to be traveling more but in Y. Living in WA and traveling to the USA (in Y) suggested AA was going to be the better program. A couple of years of EXP (and SWUs) and I was reasonably happy. But a customer service glitch and expectations of travel in SE Asia (on CX in Y) and achieving LTGold (and never getting to LTPlat) with AA meant that CX looked better. Though QFF did seem to be aware that I reached the AA milestone with a bit of "gifted status". Noted, but the withdrawal of international services from PER, this tempered my reaction. And the required redemption ($$ add-on) costs with QFF "pushed" me to CX. And the unpublished benefits were appreciated, even though I continued to use the obscure, cheaper airports to get CX longhaul flights. And further changes to the AA program (mainly no soft landing) limited my interests there.

Well with the changes to the CX program (any flights in Y, PEY or under 2700 miles are not appreciated properly IMHOfor status qualification) and a continuing process of aging (much better than the alternative :shock:) and with a last gasp DONEx for reunions in the USA brought QFF back into "contention" as WP early in my program year would mean 32 months of status and lounge access.

So there you have the history. The key being that you must stay aware of the benefits the FF programs are providing to you AT THE TIME (and in the future). And alas that situation is a constantly changing target. And CX is looking marginally better (at least with PER) for flights as AA and QF seem to be playing games with (the lack of) code shares Australia to/from the USA. And all of the airlines are giving "more" if you fly on their flight numbers.

Happy wandering

Fred
 
At the risk of stating the obvious, it might be worth giving the rest of us a bit of a heads up on your specifics.
Being a member of QFF (or any FF program) is one thing, being a "frequent", frequent flyer is quite another.
it could be argued that being a member of one is too few, where as being a member of many is pointless if you don't actually do much flying.
I'm WP with Qantas, and have been for the last 4 years and will be for at least the next 2.
I am 100% self funded (i.e. I don't fly regularly for work as an employee or contractor) , so "most" of my flights are for recreational purposes.
I do fly quite often in Premium cabin, and not always on a points upgrade
I couldn't justify a second "meaningful" FF membership, so I have chosen the one that delivers the best options for me.
so to answer your question more fully you need to provide the following information:
* how often do you fly now?
* are you a FiFo or business commuter?
*what if any status do you currently enjoy? (probably an indicator of the answers to Q1 & 2)
* Are you looking to fly more or less regularly in the future?
* Aside form flying, are you a significant accumulator of points?
and finally
* when you're looking to make points / reward bookings, how far out are you able to look? and are you constrained by specific planning issues?

One advantage I / we have is that we are self employed, and can pretty much take time off when we feel like it, so we plan a fair way out by checking flight deals as far ahead as possible.
 
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