Why Qantas Points Are Not a Real Currency

Qantas Boeing 737-800 takes off from Queenstown
Qantas Frequent Flyer points are often treated like a de-facto currency. Photo: Qantas.

Qantas Frequent Flyer points have almost become a de-facto currency in Australia. You can earn Qantas points almost anywhere in this country, and you can redeem them like money in almost as many different places.

Millions of Australians are active members in the Qantas Frequent Flyer program, and it seems like just about everyone has at least a small amount of Qantas points. In fact, in 2021 Australian Frequent Flyer estimated that there were approximately 350 billion Qantas points worth over $3 billion in circulation. That’s roughly equivalent to the GDP of Greenland.

Some people would consider Qantas points to be a de-facto currency in Australia. But economists would not consider frequent flyer points to be a legitimate currency for several reasons.

(As a disclaimer, I have a degree in economics and am approaching this topic with my “economist” hat on, rather than my “airline” hat.)

The definition of money

According to the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA), money needs to have three key features:

  • Widely accepted as a means of payment
  • Unit of account
  • Store of value

Let’s look at this in more detail…

Widely accepted means of payment

You can of course redeem Qantas points for goods and services of value, such as flights, toasters or in lieu of paying service fees. And as it happens, Qantas Frequent Flyer points are actually accepted by quite a few different Australian businesses as a form of payment, such as HOYTS Cinemas and BP petrol stations. You can even redeem points for wine, train journeys, insurance, hotel bookings, electronics and gift cards.

Qantas Frequent Flyer partners with BP
You can redeem Qantas points to buy petrol at BP outlets. Photo: Matt Graham.

But you can’t quite use Qantas points to buy anything. Sure, you could “cash out” your points for gift cards, and then use those gift cards to buy something not otherwise offered on the Qantas Marketplace. But points are not widely accepted throughout the whole economy as a means of payment.

You can’t just go down to your local butcher or bakery and pay in Qantas points instead of Australian Dollars. The butcher or baker also can’t pay their suppliers or rent with Qantas points, and so on.

Ultimately, Qantas retains full control over the types of rewards offered, and their availability.

Unit of account

For money to be considered a unit of account, you need to be able to measure its value.

To some extent, Qantas points do have a fixed value as the airline publishes the exact number of points required for a Classic Flight Reward or upgrade in charts on its website. You could also easily check how many points you’d need to purchase something from the rewards store by simply browsing the website.

Qantas also publishes the price of top-up points – the cost to simply buy points directly from the airline – on its website.

But the exact value of a frequent flyer point is opaque. In fact, section 19.4 of the Qantas Frequent Flyer terms & conditions specifically states:

19.4 Qantas Points do not have a monetary value and cannot be converted to money. They cannot be sold, transferred or exchanged other than in accordance with these Terms and Conditions. The prices for additional Qantas Points do not represent a monetary value for Qantas Points.

Qantas has its own internal valuation of a point, which it has calculated for accounting purposes. But that value is not the same as amount for which Qantas sells points to third parties. Neither is it the same as the value a Qantas Frequent Flyer member would get from redeeming a point.

In fact, the value that a member receives when redeeming points can vary wildly depending on the type of redemption – as this chart from our guide to redeeming Qantas points shows:

Chart showing the value of a Qantas point
Chart showing the average value of one Qantas point, according to how it is spent.

Rewards like gift cards or products from the Qantas Marketplace have a reasonably fixed cash value and are in (more or less) unlimited supply. These tend to represent the lowest value.

Rewards that cannot be easily sold or converted into cash, such as a flight upgrade, are often worth a lot more to program members. That said, the marginal cost to the airline of supplying such a reward is generally low because upgrades are usually only given if the seat would have otherwise flown empty.

New Qantas A380 Business Class cabin
It doesn’t cost Qantas that much to upgrade someone into a Business Class seat that would have flown empty anyway. Photo: Qantas.

So, you cannot really use Qantas points to measure the value of something. You also can’t trade other goods or services using Qantas points as the base currency.

This is the same reason that the RBA does not consider cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin to be money. In order to conduct a fair trade, you would first need to convert a cryptocurrency (or Qantas points, in this case) into a dollar amount at the current “exchange rate”.

Store of value

The final defining characteristic of money is that it retains value over time.

Frequent flyer points tend to lose value over time, as airlines increase the number of points needed for certain rewards. In fact, the cost of some Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer redemptions increased by 92% in just six years due to successive program devaluations. And Qantas points were a lot more valuable in the 1990s than they are today.

Money also loses value over time due to inflation. So, that alone does not preclude points from being considered a store of value.

100,000 Qantas points are probably worth the same value today as they will be worth next week. But loyalty programs can and occasionally do unilaterally change the value or ways you can use your points. Usually the program will at least give some notice, although some other airlines such as Emirates have a habit of not warning members in advance.

Emirates A380s at Dubai Airport
Emirates recently increased the cost of many Skywards redemptions without notice. Photo: Emirates.

Ultimately, Qantas has complete control over the supply and use of its points “currency”. And there is no central bank to reign in the amount of points being issued, or to ensure the amount of available rewards keeps up with the number of points in circulation.

Like money, points have no value until they are used. Unlike money, points can expire!

In the case of Qantas Frequent Flyer, your points will not expire as long as you maintain activity in your account at least once every 18 months. But many people either forget about their points or are unable to maintain this activity, and their points expire. In fact, loyalty programs assume a certain level of “breakage” (points that expire unredeemed) as part of their business model.

There have been many stories of Qantas Frequent Flyer members losing their points because they expired. (In this instance, Qantas may offer you a points reinstatement challenge – but not always.)

It’s also worth remembering that Qantas will forfeit your entire points balance after you die. You can at least transfer your points to family members while you’re alive. But points are not like cash. You cannot hold points in your hand, and you cannot just give them away to whoever you want.

With frequent flyer programs that use time-stamping expiration policies, like Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer or Air New Zealand Airpoints, it’s much worse. Those points or miles will expire after a fixed period of time, regardless of your level of account activity. That definitely does not represent a long-term “store of value”!

Other reasons Qantas points are not like money

There are a few other things to consider, as well:

  • You cannot sell Qantas points (except perhaps on the “black market”, but this is definitely against the program terms & conditions)
  • You cannot “invest” Qantas points – they simply sit in your account and accrue no interest until either redeemed or expired
  • Qantas makes a cut every time you earn or redeem a point (except points earned for Qantas Group flights)
  • There is a lot less regulation surrounding points than with money – unlike banks, airlines can more or less do what they like (within the confines of the law and their loyalty program T&Cs, of course)

This is not to say that Qantas points are not valuable or that it’s not worth engaging with frequent flyer programs. Many Australians do indeed get a lot of value out of Qantas points! All I’m saying is that you shouldn’t treat frequent flyer points like money, because they’re not.

The editor of Australian Frequent Flyer, Matt's passion for travel has taken him to over 90 countries… with the help of frequent flyer points, of course!
Matt's favourite destinations (so far) are Germany, Brazil & Kazakhstan. His interests include aviation, economics & foreign languages, and he has a soft spot for good food and red wine.

You can connect with Matt by posting on the Australian Frequent Flyer community forum and tagging @AFF Editor.
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TBH, does anyone consider QFF (or any loyalty program) points a “currency”? They all have sweet spots redeeming earned points/miles for reward flights or stays but beyond that they have a fairly ordinary cash equivalent (ie the ”free” toaster).

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Not sure why QF is singled out in this article - it's no different to any other loyalty program.

And did anybody ever say it was a currency?

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Not sure why QF is singled out in this article - it's no different to any other loyalty program.

Probably because its self-styled "the national airline" and one which a good majority of the Australian population collect the points on. Unlike, say BA, American, or even Virgin.

If you are the big guy in town, you are going to get attention to match - good and bad.

And did anybody ever say it was a currency?

All the time. It behaves like a currency because you can use Qantas points to buy flights with, as well as goods, wine, electronics etc etc. Sounds like a currency to me.

Or, as the article says:

Qantas Frequent Flyer points have almost become a de-facto currency in Australia. You can earn Qantas points almost anywhere in this country, and you can redeem them like money in almost as many different places.

.. and goes on to say that in spite of its purchasing ability, it fails other tests of 'currency'.

Big deal. Is that a problem?

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I don't consider QFF points a legitimate non-airline currency and nor should anyone else.

They're merely nothing more than an internal currency for Qantas and its partner airlines in which you can redeem award seats on.

I'd never use the points for paying for fuel or similar.

I made 2 mistakes years ago :
1. By using QFF points to pay for a hotel
2. By using QFF points for only a 2 leg trip when I had other flights as well - Melbourne > HK in Economy on CX and then HK > New York in Business on CX (then paying cash fares for internal US flights (AS and UA) rather than using QFF points) - although I only had around 150k points at the time and the CX flights was 129k points at the time).

I have learnt from it since (ie. it's terrible value for anything other than classic rewards or points upgrades).

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Not sure why QF is singled out in this article - it's no different to any other loyalty program.

And did anybody ever say it was a currency?

This article specifically mentions Qantas because there are actually people in Australia that call Qantas points a de-facto currency, including mainstream media outlets.

Here are just a few examples:
https://qz.com/258878/australia-has-a-de-facto-second-currency-frequent-flier-miles
https://www.nabtrade.com.au/insights/news/2018/03/is_qantas_a_cryptocu
https://www.intelligentinvestor.com...-qantas-a-cryptocurrency-in-the-making/142325
https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-points-millionaires-can-now-buy-practically-anything

The same isn't really true for Velocity points or Flybuys points, etc.

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I don't consider QFF points a legitimate non-airline currency and nor should anyone else.

They're merely nothing more than an internal currency for Qantas and its partner airlines in which you can redeem award seats on.

Well, I may consider them a currency, for certain purposes. Don't understand the second sentence. They ARE more than a 'currency' for purchasing Qantas and partner award seats on - you can purchase wine etc etc.

I made 2 mistakes years ago :
1. By using QFF points to pay for a hotel
2. By using QFF points for only a 2 leg trip when I had other flights as well - Melbourne > HK in Economy on CX and then HK > New York in Business on CX (then paying cash fares for internal US flights (AS and UA) rather than using QFF points) - although I only had around 150k points at the time and the CX flights was 129k points at the time).

I don't follow why these were mistakes, but perhaps that's not germane to the thread.

I have learnt from it since (ie. it's terrible value for anything other than classic rewards or points upgrades).

I'd mostly agree with you there, but notwithstanding, you are able to buy other stuff with Qantas points. If you have gazillions of QFF points, and don't wish to (or can't) fly, then goods purchases CAN be OK value

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I think it's also a case of semantics i.e. 'currency can mean whatever you want it to mean'. What are two pigs worth in the PNG highlands, I don't know but I bet there is a going rate when wanting to either buy them or sell/exchange them. Currency has had many forms over the years in every society.

When travelling in the USSR, I was quite often amazed to see young children being given old imperial roubles, or wartime deutchmarks etc to play with/draw on. As their parents said, sure its money (currency) but its only worth what the system and its citizens say its worth at that time.

As for a frequent flyer points value is, I'm guessing that somewhere on any airlines balance sheets sits a liability indicating what their programs frequent flyer program is estimated to be in $ terms.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers

Rono

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This article specifically mentions Qantas because there are actually people in Australia that call Qantas points a de-facto currency, including mainstream media outlets.

Here are just a few examples:
https://qz.com/258878/australia-has-a-de-facto-second-currency-frequent-flier-miles
https://www.nabtrade.com.au/insights/news/2018/03/is_qantas_a_cryptocu
https://www.intelligentinvestor.com...-qantas-a-cryptocurrency-in-the-making/142325
https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-points-millionaires-can-now-buy-practically-anything

The same isn't really true for Velocity points or Flybuys points, etc.

I think you're reaching there posting an article from 2014, and noting none of those are what most would consider mainstream media. You can google the same for Velocity or whatever international program and similar articles exist. Loyality programs are very profitable for the airlines, that's the point.

I don't have a problem with your article but you know as well as I that QFF operates no different to most airline loyalty programs (arguably the US programs are even more currency-like) and it's odd to me why you report on this as a QF issue. You could have written the same article and applied to all airline loyalty programs.

Big deal. Is that a problem?

It's not, never said it was. I don't disagree with the article itself, but I think most people understand it's not a literal currency that you invest in - it is like a currency in terms of you can buy (earn) points and sell (redeem) them, I'd love to see someone with a source that suggests it's a literal currency.

It's just a bit click-baity to me that we have to make this an anti-QF story.

I think it's also a case of semantics i.e. 'currency can mean whatever you want it to mean'. What are two pigs worth in the PNG highlands, I don't know but I bet there is a going rate when wanting to either buy them or sell/exchange them. Currency has had many forms over the years in every society.

Yes, and rum used to be a currency here in colonial days.

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One thing that makes it not a currency is the lack of legal protections. My understanding is that if you violate the terms of service of a QFF account and it's closed by Qantas, you lose all your points. This would not be acceptable if it was a real bank account. Keeping away from banking regulations is one reason Qantas does its best never to publicly assign a specific value to points, although they're skirting the line here by selling top-up points, IMO.

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It's not, never said it was. I don't disagree with the article itself, but I think most people understand it's not a literal currency that you invest in - it is like a currency in terms of you can buy (earn) points and sell (redeem) them, I'd love to see someone with a source that suggests it's a literal currency.

It's just a bit click-baity to me that we have to make this an anti-QF story.

Methinks you protest too much and are again a wee bit sensitive about an article about Qantas. The article never suggested it was a "literal currency you invest in" - in fact it says exactly the opposite 🙂 . The headline says its "not a real currency."

I don't even know what click-bait means in this context. A writer for a newspaper or journal or on-line wants to write on topics of interest. An article using Qantas as its example is of more interest AND more relevant to most readers here than a generic article.

I think you're reaching there posting an article from 2014, and noting none of those are what most would consider mainstream media.

You asked "And did anybody ever say it was a currency?" (my bold) and you were given several examples as an answer. I don't know why you don't like the answer, as obviously, they ever did.

I don't have a problem with your article but you know as well as I that QFF operates no different to most airline loyalty programs (arguably the US programs are even more currency-like) and it's odd to me why you report on this as a QF issue.

Again, consider that the article is Qantas focussed because we are in Australia, and Qantas has BY FAR the largest loyalty program and is probably the subject of most posts on AFF. Sounds like a good reason for the Australian Frequent Flyer Gazette to write about the Qantas program.

I'm sure Qantas would be flattered to be the centre of attention, yet again. 🤣. If you want Qantas regarded as just another airline in discussion, then maybe Flyertalk is for you.

One thing that makes it not a currency is the lack of legal protections. My understanding is that if you violate the terms of service of a QFF account and it's closed by Qantas, you lose all your points. This would not be acceptable if it was a real bank account

Again, the article makes just that point.

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