How much more valuable is an AA mile versus a QF point?

[cove]

It appears that an American Airlines mile is worth quite a bit more than a Qantas frequent flyer point.
Based on the latest redemptions how much more is this value. It seems to be at least 50% more valuable.

 

[ketsuzei]

Just recently it made sense to me to replace a 90,000 AA point booking with a 180,000 QFF point booking... and on some of the other routes I fly it would be more than a 2:1 ratio.

 

[straitman]

It appears that an American Airlines mile is worth quite a bit more than a Qantas frequent flyer point.
Based on the latest redemptions how much more is this value. It seems to be at least 50% more valuable.

2:1 sounds like a reasonable average.

 

[zainman]

A lot.......

 

[yohy?!]

are we factoring taxes in yet?

 

[straitman]

are we factoring taxes in yet?

That's why I said average. Even if you take them into consideration then it can be more or less than 2:1 from my experience. Very route dependant.

 

[amaroo]

Depends how easy you can earn them. For me - AA is a poor choice based on the CC earn.

Different outcome if I could access a CC from the LOTFAP.

 

[knasty]

The higher the class you want to fly the higher the ratio of AA value vs QF.

 

[Supersonic Swinger]

There are worries on the AA Flyertalk board that AAdvantage is due a devaluation at some point given what United and Delta have done.

Still, it would have to be an almighty devaluation to sink to the value of a QFF point.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

The syd lhr syd return copay in F would be over $500 with au and uk departure taxes. Quite a lot more than the $5 quoted

 

[Austff]

Now subscribed .

 

[amaroo]

The syd lhr syd return copay in F would be over $500 with au and uk departure taxes. Quite a lot more than the $5 quoted

Good to know....only ever read about AA charging co-pays in the cents rather than $.

Makes buying AA points even less compelling for the SYD-LHR-SYD example.

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Good to know....only ever read about AA charging co-pays in the cents rather than $.

Makes buying AA points even less compelling for the SYD-LHR-SYD example.

You should try to fly.out of somewhere other than the uk with a connection in lhr to avoid uk apd ... if it suits your travel plans

 

[cove]

This thought started when I flew on 75,000 QF points to go LAX- NYC on the AA plane and then used 62,500 AA miles to get between LAX -LHR or vice versa.

 

[drron]

I have always valued my AA miles at twice that of QF.In practice it often is 3 times when you take into consideration the copay.on this last trip flying F NRT-DFW and JFK-LHR the copays were $US2.49 and 2.50.
F awards out of LHR though the copay is virtually identical but for example LHR-SIN is 134000 on QF and 70000 on AA for the same seat.

The other thing I like is the ability to book on line even on routes AA does not use eg SYD-LHR.Cant do that on QF.Trying to compare on our last trip QF to AA was impossible as QF online do not bringup LHR-NRT but will bring up LHR-BKK,SIN and HKG on BA.Why the difference?
On AA I have no problems online if one of AAs online partners flies the route it will bring it up.Only favourable thing of QF online is ability to see CX flights.I really would like to see AA get CX and JAL onto the online award redemptions.

I have reduced the value to me of QFF points with the recent changes.
However I have also reduced the value of AA miles due to the changes already made.Now hard to get 2 MilesAAver awards on the same flight for example.Likely that there will be more changes that will reduce the value further but I doubt the 2:1 ratio will change a lot.

Also with the recent changes if not flying AA or QF on OW the earnings with AA can be significantly higher.Eg on our recent MH flight BKK-KUL I as an OWS on AA earnt nearly 3x the miles as mrsdrron as an OWE on QF.

 

[Supersonic Swinger]

Good to know....only ever read about AA charging co-pays in the cents rather than $.

Makes buying AA points even less compelling for the SYD-LHR-SYD example.

I redeemed 80,000 for an upcoming one way SYD-DXB-LHR in F, plus about $160 in fees and taxes. At least buying AA miles is likely to get you there at short notice for an available seat, QF only lets you buy up to 20,000 points.

Still, there's the worry that AA will increase the redemption requirements at some point in the not too distant future.

 

[serfty]

The syd lhr syd return copay in F would be over $500 with au and uk departure taxes. Quite a lot more than the $5 quoted

Of course, if booked with Qantas points it's over $1500 as there is the AUD1080 of Qantas YQ to be included!

It's getting seriously frightening!

From ITA (MEL-LHR-MEL in Business on QF):

[TABLE="class: dijitReset fareDetails"]
[TR]
[TD] Australian Passenger Movement Charge (AU) [/TD]
[TD="class: farePrice"]AU$55.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] Australian Safety & Security Surcharge (WG) [/TD]
[TD="class: farePrice"]AU$4.22[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] Australian Int'l Passenger Service Charge (WY) [/TD]
[TD="class: farePrice"]AU$17.95[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] QF YQ surcharge (YQ) [/TD]
[TD="class: farePrice"]AU$1,080.00[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] Australian Int'l Passenger Service Charge (WY) [/TD]
[TD="class: farePrice"]AU$17.95[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] United Kingdom Air Passengers Duty (GB) [/TD]
[TD="class: farePrice"]AU$372.10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD] United Kingdom Passenger Service Charge (UB) [/TD]
[TD="class: farePrice"]AU$85.20[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 

[drron]

I can cherry pick too john.
MH BKK-KUL in J.Mrsdrron as QF WP-937.KUL-BNE in J-3017.
Me as AA plat-1636 and 9014.

JAL SYD-NRT.mrsdrron-6079.Me-10899.

I know which I prefer.
So when mrsdrron gets to LTG she will credit to AA and our QF accounts merely to collect CC points or the occasionally domestic flights that wont credit to AA.

 

[serfty]

I did a MEL-LHR return in First on AAdvantage. I won't mention the +++ differential, but will note the same trip booked using QFF will cost 384,000 points. (FWIW, economy is 90,000 miles on AA compared with 128,000 QFF points)

 

[Supersonic Swinger]

I did a MEL-LHR return in First on AAdvantage. I won't mention the +++ differential, but will note the same trip booked using QFF will cost 384,000 points. (FWIW, economy is 50,000 miles on AA or 128,000 QFF points)

Doesn't SYD-LHR in F fall into the "9,601-15,000" bucket, in which case it would be 384,000 QFF points? Plus an economy fare worth of fees and taxes?