QFF status credit on Finnair AY codeshare flights from CX

[maro]

Hi. I'm new to the forum and I have read quite a few posts on codeshare/AY/CX but not much on status credits on QFF. I hope I'm not asking the obvious and making this post a rookie spam.

I'm about to book the following flights:
SYD-HKG AY flight codeshare on CX
HKG-HEL AY flight
HEL-HKG AY flight
HKG-SYD AY flight codeshare on CX

I guess it's not a surprise that CX also sells the above four flights direct on CX, not codeshared.

Could anyone please help to understand in each of the booking cases, booked all under AY or CX, that would yield the max SC on QFF?

And in this particular combination of codesharing/AY/CX/QFF/oneworld, should I not engage Finnair Plus and only use QFF?

Also, where I could do the calculation myself on any portal to work out exactly how many SC I will be harvesting?

Ref

Earning QF status credits with Finnair

I used Finnair to fly business class between Europe and Asia twice this year, Italy --> Helsinki --> Asia. In both cases I had my QF FF number added to the booking but QF are not crediting me with points or status credits. I put in a claim and I was told earn was "not eligible". Flights were...

www.australianfrequentflyer.com.au

https://www.finnair.com/au-en/finnair-plus/collect-and-use-avios/collect-avios-and-tier-points-from-flights

https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_AU/faqs/cathay-membership-programme/status-points/what-are-club-points-and-how-do-i-earn-them.html

https://www.qantas.com/au/en/frequent-flyer/earning-points/flights/finnair.html

TIA

 

[RichardMEL]

With QFF you will earn as per AY earn under QFF as that is the marketing carrier.

So for SYD-HKG and v.v. it will be 15/30/60 for Y, Flex Y and J respectively.

For HKG-HEL v.v. will get 30/60/120 SC for each leg

You can use the QF points calculator to find out

Qantas Points Calculators | Frequent Flyer

Find out all you need to know about earning and using Qantas Points with our points calculators.

www.qantas.com

 

[tdimdad]

One of the little bright spots in flying CX from/to Australia is that if it's been sold (marketed) by AY, you earn QFF points & SC's by the AY table which is more generous than the CX earn.

Whether you credit your flights to QFF, Finnair Plus or elsewhere depends on how beneficial each might be for you in terms of future status and redemptions. If you are based in Australia and would mostly benefit of your (potential) status or points here, then it usually makes sense to credit to QFF. But if you keep roaming within the AY network a lot, then crediting your flights there might be a better option.

 

[SYD]

Welcome to AFF @maro.

As above, the QF Points Calculator should work for both AY and CX codes just beware of what booking class (Fare class) you expect. Which is mostly relevant to Economy fare buckets and whether they’re treated as Discount Economy, Economy or Flexible Economy. All Business Class fares generally just earn as “Business” (no distinction between Discount, Business or Flex Biz). Some Premium Economy fares might earn at Flex Y (check the tables carefully).

https://www.qantas.com/au/en/frequent-flyer/earn-points/airline-earning-tables/earn-category-tables.html

One of the little bright spots in flying CX from/to Australia is that if it's been sold (marketed) by AY, you earn QFF points & SC's by the AY table which is more generous than the CX earn.

Not sure that’s correct. With the exception of MH, all other OW carriers flying between Oz and Asia / Asia and beyond, earn the same SCs/Points for the same Fare group (Discount whY, Economy, Flex whY/Discount PE, Premium Economy, Business and First (where available).

Perhaps AY are more likely to use a non-Discount Economy Fare code, so higher earn?

Whether you credit your flights to QFF, Finnair Plus or elsewhere depends on how beneficial each might be for you in terms of future status and redemptions. If you are based in Australia and would mostly benefit of your (potential) status or points here, then it usually makes sense to credit to QFF. But if you keep roaming within the AY network a lot, then crediting your flights there might be a better option.

Or another OW airline. But understanding requalification requirements and ability to earn FF points on the ground ought to be taken into consideration.

AY entering the Avios system (along with BA, IB, QR and EI) is another angle to explore.

 

[RealtimeY]

Perhaps AY are more likely to use a non-Discount Economy Fare code, so higher earn?

I think @tdimdad is referring to the fact that a bunch of the CX economy fare classes either dropped into discount economy or dropped off the table completely (= no earn), whereas Finnair is more "generous" but I assume it will cost more...

 

[tdimdad]

I think @tdimdad is referring to the fact that a bunch of the CX economy fare classes either dropped into discount economy or dropped off the table completely (= no earn), whereas Finnair is more "generous" but I assume it will cost more...

This. AY maps their codeshares on CX to booking classes which actually earn something while CX "native" booking classes map to lower buckets on QFF or are excluded altogether.

 

[andye]

If your flight is on CX metal but booked as an AY ticket check your boarding pass is labelled correctly with the AY flight number. An inexperienced agent got this wrong for me last year resulting in 0 points for that leg

 

[SYD]

I think @tdimdad is referring to the fact that a bunch of the CX economy fare classes either dropped into discount economy or dropped off the table completely (= no earn), whereas Finnair is more "generous" but I assume it will cost more...

Yes, that's what I presumed when I said...

Perhaps AY are more likely to use a non-Discount Economy Fare code, so higher earn?

So not so much QF be more generous, just where the fare bucket lands. Handy to know if flying down the back.

No difference in J.

 

[tdimdad]

How can that incorrect flight number happen? Isn't the BP effectively a printout with selected details of your next flight?

 

[andye]

How can that incorrect flight number happen? Isn't the BP effectively a printout with selected details of your next flight?

No idea but it got the CX number not the AY one

 

[RichardMEL]

No idea but it got the CX number not the AY one

Usually there is a notation such as "Sold as AYxx_x" somewhere.

 

[andye]

Usually there is a notation such as "Sold as AYxx_x" somewhere.

That's my previous experience too but there wasn't.
As you can imagine I had a lot of fristrating customer service interaction in the vain pursuit of points (not helped by the crediting program being IB)
I had made the mistake of asking to change my FF number (from QR to IB) at checkin
Realise that's 4 different OW airlines in the mix

 

[tdimdad]

Usually there is a notation such as "Sold as AYxx_x" somewhere.

Oh, this one. So, instead of AY5093 the BP showed CX101 (and possibly the fine print somewhere "Sold as..."). I've also had those often. I thought it showed a totally different flight, e.g. CX105, and was puzzled how that could occur. No drama here.

Crediting it as desired might be a pain if the marketed flight number is not shown, especially if you get a team that goes by a very limited set of instructions / SOP instead of thinking and cross-checking which flight number option (CX vs AY vs xx) is applicable.

 

[RichardMEL]

I would imagine BP with eticket receipt showing the AY flight number should resolve any issue there - eventually.

Though I've never had issues with auto posting of such codeshare flights tbh.