How good is air China?

[Snowmoo]

Is it really worth paying an extra $1000 to fly on Qantas for Syd-LA-YVR?

Yes Air China is a longer trip and stops overnight in Beijing.

They haven't hit any hills since 2002, so that's gotta be a positive.

 

[AVC]

As far as the SYD-LAX route goes, yes, I would pay the extra K. far too much time in the air with a 5yo, but that's just me.

What else could go wrong?

Well:

 

[Austman]

As far as the SYD-LAX route goes, yes, I would pay the extra K. far too much time in the air with a 5yo, but that's just me.

What else could go wrong?

Well:

China Airlines (Taiwan) is NOT Air China (China). I have flown Air China and internationally they were fine. Not 5* in J but very acceptable.

 

[richie9x]

What else could go wrong?

Well:

As pointed out Air China and China Airlines are two totally different airlines.
Also it is strange that a photo of the 'China Airline' plane has a Saudi Arbian flag on it. Perhaps it is because it is actually poor attempt at photoshopping a Saudi Arabian airlines accident to look like China Airline accident.

 

[moa999]

Flew them in 2000 when they still allowed smoking... Uggh

 

[Wezza]

I was going to start a thread on this very subject last night! I just went ahead & booked SYD-PEK-SVO return in Y. Paid $1328, at least $400 cheaper than the closest other options I could find.

 

[mannej]

Did that 737 incident not have any fatalities?

 

[browski]

Is it really worth paying an extra $1000 to fly on Qantas for Syd-LA-YVR?

Yes Air China is a longer trip and stops overnight in Beijing.

They haven't hit any hills since 2002, so that's gotta be a positive.

Was Air Canada from SYD similar to the QF price? Also, I haven't checked this for a while, but I always thought JAL did some reasonable YVR flights ex-SYD.

 

[Wezza]

Did that 737 incident not have any fatalities?

No. It was from a fire in the number 2 engine, but everyone evacuated successfully.

 

[AVC]

It's a generic "China" joke. Like "made in China". Maybe I should have added LOL at the bottom. And then a link to the abbreviations thread.
Tongue in cheek smiley perhaps?

I still wouldn't fly with them (either of them).

I wouldn't buy a car made by Great Wall either.






LOL

 

[markis10]

I have not got a high regard for Air China, the Crew Resource Management was a contributing factor in the loss of 129 lives for Flight 129 in 2002, thats good enough reason for me to keep them on my no fly list.

 

[UP4014]

I have not got a high regard for Air China, the Crew Resource Management was a contributing factor in the loss of 129 lives for Flight 129 in 2002, thats good enough reason for me to keep them on my no fly list.

+1.

Not on my list at all.

 

[Wezza]

Would you fly on Singapore Airlines after the SQ006 crash in 2000?

 

[markis10]

Would you fly on Singapore Airlines after the SQ006 crash in 2000?

No, even when I was commuting to SIN in 2003.

 

[Wezza]

No, even when I was commuting to SIN in 2003.

Fair enough.

How about Qantas after QF001 in Bangkok in 1999? I know there were no fatalities, but that was just by pure luck more than anything.

 

[straitman]

How about Qantas after QF001 in Bangkok in 1999? I know there were no fatalities, but that was just by pure luck more than anything.

I would because I know the processes that were put in place after the incident to mitigate anything in the future.

 

[Wezza]

I would because I know the processes that were put in place after the incident to mitigate anything in the future.

Pilot error. It can happen anytime, no matter what.

 

[markis10]

Fair enough.

How about Qantas after QF001 in Bangkok in 1999? I know there were no fatalities, but that was just by pure luck more than anything.

Your confusing ingrained CRM issues that are part of an airlines culture with pilot error, one breeds the other while the other can happen by itself. One of the reasons I don't fly any Chinese carrier is their not well versed in English as its not used in aviation domestically, with the resultant issues and incidents that occur on a regular basis when you have a non aviation trained translator in the coughpit doings the comms, sorry sir, a ruler is not a DME in the aviation context - true story!

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2011-12/01/content_14192804.htm

And yes, the reference to a ruler being DME came from an Air China flight.

 

[straitman]

Pilot error. It can happen anytime, no matter what.

IF you are referring to QF001, there was a whole lot more to it than Pilot error.

Irrespective of which airline, what is really important is what has been done to mitigate further occurrences.

 

[Wezza]

Your confusing ingrained CRM issues that are part of an airlines culture with pilot error, one breeds the other while the other can happen by itself. One of the reasons I don't fly any Chinese carrier is their not well versed in English as its not used in aviation domestically, with the resultant issues and incidents that occur on a regular basis when you have a non aviation trained translator in the coughpit doings the comms, sorry sir, a ruler is not a DME in the aviation context - true story!

Airline vows to boost crews' English|Society|chinadaily.com.cn

And yes, the reference to a ruler being DME came from an Air China flight.

I never confused the two, I understand. I was merely pointing out the fact that no airline is immune to accidents.

IF you are referring to QF001, there was a whole lot more to it than Pilot error.

Irrespective of which airline, what is really important is what has been done to mitigate further occurrences.

Of course.