Rats! Qantas in dispute over chewed wiring

[amaroo]

Liquidator & Rats.......perfect:!:

 

[charri11]

Sounds like a fair soultion

Was it a high-end car if I can ask ?

Say more than $50,000 ?

It is a VW R32

 

[lovestotravel]

It is a VW R32

Great car, sounds like they may have been having some fun with it.....

 

[yohy?!]

So true - using a very long bow to try to tie the two incidents together and WTF has the union got to do with it!

I guess they think that since Howes and Wirth are an item he can by default be included in anything mentioning QF!

 

[eastwest101]

Its just speculation here - but surely with the wiring harness shorted out the car would not be driveable, so unless Mr Lock got his car towed into the Valet parking area, and also presuming that the car would not start when he returned to it, then the damage has occurred while at the Valet parking. That's not to say that the rat(s) were not in the car earlier (eeww!) and that they just happened to acomplish the damage on that particular day.....

I think thats what QF lawyers may try to argue.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Do rats have any particular preference for Aston Martins?

There certainly is a rat in this story however.

 

[Alanslegal]

As parking whether Valet or not is subject to an element of risk that you have to accept.

That is incorrect. Valet parking fulfils the conditions of a legal bailment and the bailee [which is QF and/or its agents], for reward/payment of this valet servce, does accept responsibility for holding the plaintiff's vehicle. The bailee must take reasonable care of the vehicle and where there is damage to the chattel (or vehicle in this case) then they are held liable for the damge.

In reference to parking at your own risk, this is usually in reference to say general parking in a shopping centre for example where there is no formation of a legal bailment. The legal relationship in these types of parking is one of a license ie. you are given a license to park only.

The issue here is proving where the damage occurred, and as such, good riddance to this person. Unless he has proof of where the damage occurred, IMO he is chucking a tantrum.

The standard test in civil claims is based on the balance of probabilities. As long as the event is more probable to have occurred then not, then that is sufficient for any civil claim. 'more probable' generally means more than 50% chance, so even if its 50.000001% to have occurred, then it has occurred for this purpose.

 

[lovestotravel]

“The irony is that I take about 30 domestic flights and four overseas flights each year, nearly all business. Since the rat incident both my wife and I have travelled exclusively with Virgin – 12 domestic trips and three overseas trips booked, in three months, all business class.”

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[markis10]

Liquidator & Rats.......perfect:!:

Liquidator & Lawyers & Rats....even more perfect , unless they are AFF members of course!

 

[harvyk]

The standard test in civil claims is based on the balance of probabilities. As long as the event is more probable to have occurred then not, then that is sufficient for any civil claim. 'more probable' generally means more than 50% chance, so even if its 50.000001% to have occurred, then it has occurred for this purpose.

Who would proving probability need to rest with?
Would Mr P1 be required to prove that rats at qf parking where the sole cause and it could not have been rats at any other location before a case would proceed, or would qf need to prove that they did not have any rats there full stop, and if a rat was found it is probable enough that it could have happened there?

 

[NM]

Its just speculation here - but surely with the wiring harness shorted out the car would not be driveable, so unless Mr Lock got his car towed into the Valet parking area, and also presuming that the car would not start when he returned to it, then the damage has occurred while at the Valet parking. That's not to say that the rat(s) were not in the car earlier (eeww!) and that they just happened to acomplish the damage on that particular day.....

I think thats what QF lawyers may try to argue.

I have not seen any mention that the car would not start upon his return to the airport. If it would not start, then he must have had it towed to his mechanic, or had his mechanic make a call-out visit, in order to diagnose the problem and receive a quotation for the repairs.

So many missing facts for "accurate" speculation on this one. But I suspect this may end up costing the car owner significantly more than the quoted repair bill unless he can prove fault/negligence.

 

[The Rok]

I have not seen any mention that the car would not start upon his return to the airport. If it would not start, then he must have had it towed to his mechanic, or had his mechanic make a call-out visit, in order to diagnose the problem and receive a quotation for the repairs.

So many missing facts for "accurate" speculation on this one. But I suspect this may end up costing the car owner significantly more than the quoted repair bill unless he can prove fault/negligence.

Accurate Speculation, I love it.

I would imagine that when QF apply for and probably receive a Security for Costs Order this case will disappear very quickly.

It's one thing proving that the damage occurred while the vehicle was in the care of QF, it's another altogether proving that QF were in some way negligent which resulted in the damage.

There are rats all over the world, in all public places, it would be unreasonable to expect QF to remove every rat from all their premises. If they have good house keeping, a rodent/pest control contract in place then it could be said they took all reasonable steps to avoid this occurrence.

Why is he not just claiming on his insurance?

 

[lovestotravel]

Why is he not just claiming on his insurance?

Insurance rarely covers vermin

 

[Hvr]

Insurance rarely covers vermin

Rats! Maybe he has read the fine print.

 

[MrJetset]

Surely if this occurs, there would be more than one incident at the Long Term carpark (where valet parked vehicles are move to) which is now Blue Emu (whatever that means).

 

[Fantic125]

According to the story, it was left there overnight. ADL valet parking area can be observed from the QF lounge, and IMHO it doesn't seem to be a teeming cesspit of animal activity.

YMMV.

 

[yo yo ma]

So many missing facts for "accurate" speculation on this one. But I suspect this may end up costing the car owner significantly more than the quoted repair bill unless he can prove fault/negligence.

Absolutely - wait a few days for the rest of the story to come out... I would like to see what the claimant's defintion of "brand new" is.

 

[scaredeycat]

At least the whole world now knows what a terribly important person he is and what a flash car he drives.

 

[Mal]

This part is interesting.

we had an independent pest expert do a thorough investigation and they found no evidence of rats in the area," a spokesman said.

If rats were around you would be able to see the droppings and scent trails that they leave.

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[YQY]

i had to laugh at this random line on the bottom

"Australian Workers Union heavyweight Paul Howes was unavailable for comment."

maybe they could try calling the QF Government & Corporate Affairs office to see where the Group Executive is...

it's not random, the journalist is having a dig at QF PR head Olivia Wirth, who is having an affair with Paul Howes....

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