737H Doco and a darker side to it that you didn't know (or want to know)...

[Oneworldplus2]

Al Jazeera does a doco on the Boeing 737H and shonky parts which are getting installed.


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[video=youtube;IaWdEtANi-0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaWdEtANi-0[/video]

 

[drewbles]

If anyone wants a higher def version of this, it's available from KeepVid: Download and save any video from Youtube, Dailymotion, Metacafe, iFilm and more! (this will list download links direct from YouTube in various different qualities).

Not watched it yet, the HD version is over 600mb so will watch it shortly though.

 

[samh004]

It’s a pretty damning report of a cover-up. Suddenly those Jetstar A320’s are looking a lot nicer

 

[drewbles]

How many 738's did QF have delivered in that time period (prior to 2004)? I know they got a lot of them in the late 2000's, but did they have many initially?

I never did like the 737 (nor the A320; I don't generally like any narrow body aircraft; with the exception of the 717 but that's mainly due to feeling like a space rocket during takeoff, if you're seated down the back ). I'll stick to my widebody a/c where possible

 

[samh004]

How many 738's did QF have delivered in that time period (prior to 2004)? I know they got a lot of them in the late 2000's, but did they have many initially?

According to The QANTAS Source - Boeing 737-800 Fleet Information, VH-VXA to VH-VXU (21).

 

[concorde71]

According to The QANTAS Source - Boeing 737-800 Fleet Information, VH-VXA to VH-VXU (21).

Thats correct, they took 30 orders which were vacated by American Airlines Post September 11 attacks. It was unusual, because all airlines worlwide were cancelling and Qantas was unique in the fact that they need planes urgently. Hence, they got a pearler of a deal, and deliveries that commenced almost immediately, when there was usually several years wait. So the early batch were in fact built for AA

 

[Blackswan]

According to The QANTAS Source - Boeing 737-800 Fleet Information, VH-VXA to VH-VXU (21).

What about DJ?

If you go to the Ducommun website ( Ducommun Incorporated ) there's a picture of a Pac Blue 738 on the image banner at the top right-hand side of their homepage . . .

 

[samh004]

What about DJ?

If you go to the Ducommun website ( Ducommun Incorporated ) there's a picture of a Pac Blue 738 on the image banner at the top right-hand side of their homepage . . .

A little research shows Production List Search - Planespotters.net Just Aviation, VH-VOB, VH-VOC, VH-VOD, VH-VOK, VH-VOL, VH-VOM, VH-VON, VH-VOQ and VH-VOV (9) to have been delivered prior to 2004. Though they have 33 in their fleet. Pacific Blue has two (VH-VOO and VH-VOP) from 2003.

Can someone remind me what the 2004 line in the sand means, I know I just watched the video today, but can’t recall anything about why aircraft after 2004 wouldn’t be affected?

 

[Oneworldplus2]

It’s a pretty damning report of a cover-up. Suddenly those Jetstar A320’s are looking a lot nicer

Yes, the Airbus are starting to look more attractive now. But, we can't rule out Airbus doing the same...

Some peeps refer to "Airbus" aka "Scarebus", yeah right, not after this revealing information on the 737!

 

[drron]

And now the incident with the Southwest 737 today.

 

[737NG]

The Southwest 737 that peeled open today was a classic, not an NG.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

The Southwest 737 that peeled open today was a classic, not an NG.

Nice handle and first post is in this thread too, what a coincidence!

AFF, not only where QF, DJ, JQ and nonews.com.au get info from, but it looks like Boeing is also watching this site. Airbus must surely be next???
Go AFF!

 

[yohy?!]

Can someone remind me what the 2004 line in the sand means, I know I just watched the video today, but can’t recall anything about why aircraft after 2004 wouldn’t be affected?

Did I hear right in Boeing terminating the subcontract to Ducommun at this time? (brain a bit fuzzy ATM)

 

[samh004]

Nice handle and first post is in this thread too, what a coincidence!

AFF, not only where QF, DJ, JQ and nonews.com.au get info from, but it looks like Boeing is also watching this site. Airbus must surely be next???
Go AFF!

What makes you think it’s anything other than a lurker that wanted to correct an error in a thread they were reading

Welcome to AFF regardless to them.

Did I hear right in Boeing terminating the subcontract to Ducommun at this time? (brain a bit fuzzy ATM)

That must have been it.

From the gfx on their website though, looks like they’re now working on the 787…

 

[mannej]

The Southwest 737 that peeled open today was a classic, not an NG.

It's not the first time it's happened to Southwest recently (having not read the full story)


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[anat0l]

Flyertalk thread is relatively short on this issue, and pretty much filled with nay-sayers, some denouncing immediately due to the source (Al Jazeera), as much as probably some of us would be very quick to dismiss anything by NoNews.

Al Jazeera: Boeing safety claims investigated - FlyerTalk Forums

In any case, needless to say as a significant number of my flights are on 737s (mostly 738s), not having to worry about this would be nice. I can see how the whole thing could be a blow up, but at the same time perhaps one can't help but feel concerned after seeing vids like these (are they for real or have they just dug up dirt for the sake of making a name of themselves?)

I wonder if Al Jazeera proactively picked up on this investigation or simply no local (i.e. American) media outlet was interested in taking on an investigation?

Certainly hope no QF (or DJ) 738s are going to drop from the sky any time soon!

 

[munitalP]

I too fall into the naysayer category. This is another "doco" that is simply based around questions with no answers given - a conspiracy theory. There are many out there written in exactly the same format and tone - questions vetted but never answered, such as the 911 Twin Towers "the government flew the planes", or the "man walked on the moon in Hollywood" to name a couple.

I feel I have just wasted 35 minutes of my life watching this tripe.

I place more trust in Boeing self regulating quality systems and the US government type testing than I do in the makers of this documentary. The incorrect reference to lean made by the whistle blower also shows her misunderstanding of the six sigma process of manufacturing.

Meh...

 

[Nigelinoz]

Should also be pointed out that this case has ,in one form or another,been in the US justice system since 2002 when it was first filed,over the years there have been various rulings but the case has never gone to trial,back in October last year Boeing released a statement claiming that Robert Eastin,the head technical adviser to the FAA had made a deposition rejecting the allegations and denying the aircraft are unsafe and that there was no need to ground them.
Boeing's bid adds to lawsuit

Boeing contends in its filing this week that the plaintiffs have sought to create "media hype" for their case since the time it was filed. The firm specifically cites in its motion a 2006 story in The Washington Post, a 2005 series in Mother Jones and a 2007 episode of "Dan Rather Reports."

The FAA chief technical adviser, Robert Eastin, recently found that there is no evidence to support their claims that affected airplanes are not safe and should be grounded, according to Boeing's new motion.

I have flown many hours on many variants of the 737,including the NG and I have never felt unsafe and I will continue to fly them until I'm given concrete reasons not to.

 

[reductionist]

I don't know much about the aircraft manufacturing industry but after watching the first half of this doco it did make me feel a little uneasy. I don't think it will have any affect on my flying habits though.

 

[737NG]

Thanks for the welcome samh004. I dont work for Boeing, I am an engineer with one of the airlines in OZ that operate them though.