Second Sydney Airport

[EnvyFx]

Apparently SYD is pushing capacity, While I haven't been in Terminal 1, T2 doesn't seem that bad to be honest and supposedly Canberra is going to be a drop-off point. So should a second Sydney Airport be built, will it be like Avalon? Or a new State of the Art Airport like KUL or even SIN?

 

[Mal]

SYD really frustrates me. In particular the "Air control have slowed us down" warnings for many flights, and the "Oh no. A plane is flying over my house - quick make sure the curfew never goes." mentality of the area.

 

[EnvyFx]

SYD really frustrates me. In particular the "Air control have slowed us down" warnings for many flights, and the "Oh no. A plane is flying over my house - quick make sure the curfew never goes." mentality of the area.

While the Curfew is never gonna be removed, a second SYD in Wilton or Badgery,s Creek can operate 24hr like MEL

 

[eastwest101]

Maybe poll should be amended to allow the following choices?

Expand capacity at Kingsford Smith?
2nd Airport at Badgerys Creek?
2nd Airport at Canberra?

 

[Dismounted]

Expand capacity at Kingsford Smith?

That would be the best option - but there isn't any room left...

 

[Boris spatsky]

RAAF Richmond should have regional turboprop and light jet (Embraer) services. Multi user like Newcastle. They should be doing it now.

 

[mannej]

RAAF Richmond should have regional turboprop and light jet (Embraer) services. Multi user like Newcastle. They should be doing it now.

Sounds like an option people suggest for Pearce and Perth.

 

[harvyk]

RAAF Richmond should have regional turboprop and light jet (Embraer) services. Multi user like Newcastle. They should be doing it now.

IMO Those are the flights where the end destination is most likely going to be SYD or connecting onto an international service. So I can't see a just regionals only airport doing overly well at Richmond, as most people on such a flight will actually want to be going to SYD, and will be paying the extra cost of flying over driving to save a bit of time. I myself only fly CBR-SYD if I need to get into SYD CBD itself, the time saving of flying vs driving just isn't there if I am wanting to get to western SYD. (Rare, but it does happen). For me the time saving is not the couple of hours on the Hume Highway, it's the time saving of the M5.

What would be interesting is seeing how many people go to AVV, with the intentions of then going into Melbourne, vs staying in AVV, vs going somewhere else completely and simply connecting through AVV. That would give a true indication for what SYD mark 2 would be used for.

 

[Boris spatsky]

Pearce one of the busiest RAAF bases with three flying SQNs for training (one of those Singaporean) and over 70 aircraft. It would never ever work.

Richmond has 21 aircraft based there, plus transient, and being an airlift base, a lot if those are away on lengthy trips. Richmond ATC spend more time controlling civilian training aircraft (ILS) than RAAF most days. It is a good option.

 

[EnvyFx]

Guys, How do I edit polls?

 

[mannej]

Pearce one of the busiest RAAF bases with three flying SQNs for training (one of those Singaporean) and over 70 aircraft. It would never ever work.

The facts do not stop the countless letters to The West suggesting that Pearce is the magic solution for all the woes at Perth.

 

[Timba-Jet]

Maybe poll should be amended to allow the following choices?

Expand capacity at Kingsford Smith?
2nd Airport at Badgerys Creek?
2nd Airport at Canberra?

Hasn't Badgerys creek been ruled out now as housing development has taken over some land originally set aside for the airport.

 

[Simo]

I would like to see a second airport in SYD but is it practical.

Maybe if we got some more carriers then it might be justified.

Maybe it could be a 24 hour international airport with a high speed rail connection between the 2 terminals.

Probably a very long term view and to hard for our Pollies as they only look to the next election.

I am not sure of the distance between the current terminal and proposed sites.

 

[samh004]

I voted don’t mind, and looks like I’m the only one to do so, mainly because it cuts both ways. It’s a capital city and a major gateway, so yes, if capacity is being pushed it needs more capacity somehow, but the more logical solution would be to reclaim land and improve the infrastructure at the existing airport, or build a new airport that replaces the old airport. I don’t think SYD needs two airports.

 

[JohnK]

Yes but somewhere out West, North or South and preferably not near current residential areas. East would also be an option if it was possible to somehow build runways further into Botany Bay or out to sea. May not be feasible now but who knows what would be possible in 10-20 years time.

I would maintain the curfew but keep Kingsford-Smith for international flights and "popular" domestic routes.

The second airport can handle airlines such as JQ and TT and some of the smaller carriers. I know this would not be suitable for people connecting for something like BNE-SYD-DBO but I would rather have that situation than infuriate residents and lobby groups further.

Need to also ensure that there is a dedicated fast link between the 2 airports....

 

[serfty]

Guys, How do I edit polls?

you don't!

start a new thread and we'll merge.

Posted on a wing and a prayer ...

 

[Major]

The cost of providing improved quick and efficient infrastructure to move PAX from RAAF RIC to SYD would be prohibative. I cannot see any gov. with the guts to do this. There is always a lot of fog which sits in that hollow between Windsor and Richmond in the winter months.
With this and surrounding development I don't believe RAAF RIC is a viable option

 

[harvyk]

The cost of providing improved quick and efficient infrastructure to move PAX from RAAF RIC to SYD would be prohibative.

Whilst I can't comment on the cost of doing so, failure to provide that quick and efficient transport infrastructure would be a major thing which would stop this project from getting off the ground.
Having driven past Richmond, I'd thought I had actually left Sydney (and in a way I had, as it was out in one of the satellite cities), and considering that from there, into the CBD can easily take a couple of hours driving at peak times, I don't see it as a solution at all (short of building something like the maglev).

 

[Simo]

Maybe they could expand NTL airport as they have a public transport link and use that more for LCC international carriers.

A lot like what happens in Qld with OOL

 

[harvyk]

Maybe they could expand NTL airport as they have a public transport link and use that more for LCC international carriers.

A lot like what happens in Qld with OOL

OOL is a destination in itself. Lots of people travel to OOL, without ever having the intention of going to BNE (or further south). I believe NTL on the other hand is not a big international destination (ignoring freight ships). I would expect most international visitors to NTL, would also have a desire to visit SYD, and may even be doing the drive from SYD-BNE.

I do believe TT for a whilst ran a MEL-NTL service as their SYD service until they switched it over to a proper MEL-SYD service. So I don't think people really equate NTL = SYD.