Second Sydney Airport

[eastwest101]

BTW A cat 3 ILS solves the fog problem, and it's cheap by comparison to the alternates! You cannot put one of those in at SYD or kernnel!

Sorry an OT question here markis10. What is the reason a cat 3 ILS couldn't be installed at SYD or future Kurnell site? Is it a topography/placement issue or a noise issue of some kind or do they just take up a lot of space? I am a Cat 3 ILS luddite.

 

[markis10]

Sorry an OT question here markis10. What is the reason a cat 3 ILS couldn't be installed at SYD or future Kurnell site? Is it a topography/placement issue or a noise issue of some kind or do they just take up a lot of space? I am a Cat 3 ILS luddite.

A Cat 3 ILS requires components that at SYD would be in the ocean for some runways and interfered with by industrial works for the others, it's not impossible to do but economically it's not feasible given the use it would get, and ILS technology is fast becoming redundant. Australia lead the world for many years with the design of such systems, including the first ever MLS at MEL, the remnants of which are still there I think ( will have a look this weekend).

 

[gwilli1]

I could see Richmond working as a point to point airport ( those not wanting onward connections) for Western Sydney , along similar lines as AVV is to Melbourne, but with increased frequencies & destinations. Western Sydney has a population of around 1.5-2 million which is expected to be close to 3 million over the next 20 years , with a lot of this growth being in the NW part of Sydney where Richmond is located. There a numerous large business & industrial areas in western/ north west sydney that would love the choice of not having to endure , in some cases, 2 hours drive from SYD . It would also provide quicker access to the Blue Mountains for both residents and visitors.

I could see Richmond supporting services to most capital cities & high profile leisure destinations(i.e. OOL /CNS) in varying frequencies. In addition , opening it up to International (not restricted too , but mainly LCC ) as being an alternative to SYD. Agree , a substantial investment in infrastructure support would be required to make Richmond a viable alternative.

 

[Paddy55]

Voted "I don't mind" because nothing will happen for a very long time, in my opinion, and I wonder if by then we might just need one big airport... but not SYD.
Can't see a fog prone sight being the solution to anything (goodbye Canberra)
Can't see Sydney being big enough to support 2 airports, especially when the inevitable airport transfers tick people off.

So, perhaps a Big New Airport? :shock:

 

[smit0847]

Excuse me ignorance, as I know very little about SYD by why cant they just build out over the water like KIX etc have done? Japan is a classic example of huge need for passenger numbers etc but very little land so they just build over the sea. Didnt HKG do the same?

I think the proximity of SYD to the CBD is a huge asset - I wish MEL was as close to the CBD!

 

[SeatBackForward]

Excuse me ignorance, as I know very little about SYD by why cant they just build out over the water like KIX etc have done? Japan is a classic example of huge need for passenger numbers etc but very little land so they just build over the sea. Didnt HKG do the same?

I think the proximity of SYD to the CBD is a huge asset - I wish MEL was as close to the CBD!

Those airports were built on shallow water (less than 20m deep I think). But the coastline off Sydney isn't that shallow, is deep and gets continually deeper.

 

[AVC]

Why not just build out into the bay a bit further. Get two fully working runways that can handle over water take off and landings in most wind conditions, and extend the curfew such that in the fringe times, aircraft aren;t flying over population.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Why not just build out into the bay a bit further. Get two fully working runways that can handle over water take off and landings in most wind conditions, and extend the curfew such that in the fringe times, aircraft aren;t flying over population.

The two main north-south runways are already over water. The issue is no matter which way the wind is blowing either the take-offs or the landings will beover population, and the noise etc..and of coruse which runway gets used is also dependent on wind too..

But yes, removign the curfew is the easiest solution, but probably the most politically charged one. Despite the Airport being there for almost 100yrs now.

 

[smit0847]

In fact, now that Caltex is planning to shutdown the oil refinery at Kurnell, it is the perfect place to either build the second airport, or move the ports facilities at Botany Bay to Kurnell, and expand Kingsford Smith.

Looking only at an aerial map, would it be possible/realistic to build a domestic airport at Kurnell and keep all international at Kingford Smith then have some sort of underground/water train/pod thing linking the two terminals. Though they would be a fair distance away geographically surely a very organised train/pod thing departing/arriving directly under each airport would be almost as quick as that stupid bus they now use to transfer people between intl and dom?

 

[Awesom Andy]

would it be possible/realistic to build a domestic airport at Kurnell and keep all international at Kingford Smith then have some sort of underground/water train/pod thing linking the two terminals.

At that proximity, I would imagine that, assuming it would happen (not likely), it would be treated as one large airport, with runways really far apart.

 

[samh004]

But yes, removign the curfew is the easiest solution, but probably the most politically charged one. Despite the Airport being there for almost 100yrs now.

I say increase the curfew so hardly any flights can land, send all the traffic to the other airports and see how long it takes for SYD-siders to wake up and realise that they need to act, or their tourist economy goes down the toilet. :evil:

 

[smit0847]

Sydney Airport owners say there is no need for a second airport:

Airport says the sky's the limit

It's probably been explained before but why is Holsworthy not an option apart from environmental concerns?!

 

[JessicaTam]

*bump*

Just heard on the news tonight that Badgery Creek is to be announced as the second airport, with funding from next year to start work.

Cabinet expected to sign off on Badgerys Creek as site of Sydney's second airport - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Federal Cabinet is tomorrow expected to sign off on Badgerys Creek as the site of Sydney's second airport.
The ABC understands there will be money for the project in the May budget, with funding flowing as early as next financial year.

 

[markis10]

Badgerys creek to get signed off in cabinet today as Sydney's second airport.

Badgerys Creek is expected to be signed off as the site of Sydney's second airport, with money committed in May's budget to get things started as early as next year.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...as-sydneys-second-airport-20140414-36nzh.html

 

[Barks]

Will be interesting to see what happens but Badgerys Creek is miles from the CBD. Good for people in western Sydney tho.

Hopefully they have a good infrastructure plan.

 

[RooFlyer]

Just get the damn bulldozers working at BC and on infrastructure projects to access it.

Why is distance from Sydney CBD such a huge issue? As a report in today's Oz pointed out, the population of 'western Sydney' is greater than that of Tasmania, ACT and NT combined. Western Sydney could support a domestic airport in its own right and those airlines and pax who choose a late night / night time international arrival would face a post arrival 'commute' not dissimilar to many round the world. Not desirable, but not unique.

 

[moa999]

Think its also a question of what goes there. I suspect Stage 1 will be a freight terminal and an LCC style passenger terminal, potentially with a few international swing gates

 

[Himeno]

Will be interesting to see what happens but Badgerys Creek is miles from the CBD. Good for people in western Sydney tho.

Hopefully they have a good infrastructure plan.

Why would distance from "CBD" mean anything? Lots of major airports around the world are "far" from their respective CBDs. Look at DEN, DFW and NRT for starters.

 

[SeatBackForward]

So whats the code for Badgers?

 

[moa999]

SWZ appears to have been reserved according to Google.