10,000 bonus points per 20 transactions

[JohnK]

JohnK, your perception of reality is somewhat distorted, maybe it is that silver soon sticking out of you mouth.

Really? Silver spoon?

Seriously, you need a reality check to make such a comment.

Me? Are you sure?

Actually, reading through your replies they do come across as being someone who is very pompous/elitist and is not the person that Amex was targtting this campaign at, at all.

Could not be further from the truth. I am someone who is very shy, humble and hardly ever the centre of attention. I try to avoid confrontation but I do voice my opinion whether I am right or wrong.

Greed hey... straight from the horses mouth.

You are calling me greedy? Why? What did I post that gave you the impression I was greedy?

Normally I stick to attacking a topic, not a person, but such blatant stupid commnts will not go ignored.

I did not attack any person in particular. It was a general remark.

 

[QF WP]

JohnK, your perception of reality is somewhat distorted, maybe it is that silver soon sticking out of you mouth.

Having met JohnK, that mental picture really makes me . file51, definitely not a silver spoon...

[Mod hat on]Gentlemen, please refrain from making further personal comments about one another. If one doesn't have anything meaningful to add...[/Mod Hat]

 

[serfty]

[Mod Hat]
While many of us have differing points of view in relation to this and these can be discussed freely, abuse of one member by another is frowned upon. Posts that cross the line will be deleted and the members' continued posting rights may be denied.

Those attacking other posters should desist - Indeed, I recommend editing one's posts to remove such abusive text.
[/Mod Hat]

 

[futaris]

We can argue (till we're blue in the face) that we're eligible or ineligible for the promo, but according to the Membership Rewards T&Cs:

14.7 All questions or disputes regarding eligibility for the program, the eligibility of points for accrual or redemption of points or rewards including transfer of points to a participating frequent traveller program, will be resolved by us at our sole discretion. Any such questions or disputes must be brought to our attention and resolved within 12 months. Additionally, any points disputes must be raised and resolved within 12 months from when the points are first credited to or deducted from the program account.

So essentially if Membership Rewards decides that someone is not eligible for a promo, earning or transfer there is very little that the consumer can do.

Additionally as JohnK has often mentioned:

14.3 We reserve the right to change this agreement at any time with or without notice including, but not limited to (i) fees; (ii) points accrual, conversion and redemption rates; (iii) providers or suppliers of any points, frequent traveller rewards, non-frequent traveller rewards or any product or service obtained through the transfer, conversion or redemption of points.

 

[opusman]

I'm really not quite sure what JohnK thinks the point of this promotion is. It's apparently evil to increase the use of your amex card to earn additional points. Do you really mean to suggest the idea of the promo was really to reward existing use of the card, as opposed to increasing the use of it?

Not trying to have a go - just genuinely confused as to your point of view.

 

[casp]

Re: Clarification of the present situation:

Just to clarify and summarise for all of us here:

Condition 1:

You sign up online/phone on or before 19 Sept (with or without receiving the postcard)
---> Old T&C, no cap, no minimum spend

The reason that you have not received any points from 24 Sept onward is because of the system fault and you would not get them!

From next Monday onward, you would start to receive 5,000pt lots until Dec, no cap whatsoever.

Condition 2:

You sign up by phone after 19 Sept (that is on or after Sept 20)
---> New T&C. 40,000 cap and 10,000/month cap
No matter whether you have the postcard or not.


Am I right????:?:

NO?
I signed up over the phone on 24th Sep. The lady gave me a confirmation number for the sign up. I asked her is there any cap she said no. Then I asked do I need to reach a minimum amount for each transcation she said no.
So far I haven't got any bonus points.

 

[JohnK]

I'm really not quite sure what JohnK thinks the point of this promotion is. It's apparently evil to increase the use of your amex card to earn additional points.

I think the point of the promotion is to get people to use their card more often but sensibly.

Evil? I would not quite use that word but right from the beginning people were publicly plotting ways to maximise use of the card to reach a certain number of bonus points without thinking of the consequences. I did not condone the use of the card where people mentioned splitting a $1,000 bill into 100 transactions of $10 value. Was this in the spirit of the promotion? Most regular AFFers know that Amex lurks. We won't know the real answer but I guess with the promotion suspended Amex felt that some people were abusing the promotion.

Do you really mean to suggest the idea of the promo was really to reward existing use of the card, as opposed to increasing the use of it?

Why can't it be a bit of both. So if I do 30 transactions a month and do not increase my use of the card I should not get any bonus points but someone who does 30 transactions a month and makes an effort to use the card more and increases the number of transactions during the promotion to 60 a month, albeit small transactions like purchasing $3 coffee twice a day, then they should receive 60,000 points. Why?

My impression from reading this thread was the bonus points was the sole driving point for increase of card use and nothing to do with Amex or considering future promotions. Nothing wrong with wanting bonus points but we must be careful what we reveal on a public forum and almost every action has a consequence down the track. I would not want Amex MR or any future promotions jeopardised because certain people behaved irresponsibly.

Maybe I am just confused after all....

 

[rodgerbranch]

Congratulations 1000+ Posts

Wow I have been away for a couple of days and this post has already 1000+ post !!! Kool... :shock:

 

[rodgerbranch]

Another T&C scare

I always thought that Amex was going to find the way to fix this. However, I dont think the way described in
points 1) and 2) in the previous posts is something that Amex would do...

These new "T&C" sound more like a wish
from those who want to convince Amex to rule in their favor rather than an actual T&C LOL. I wouldnt mind getting
point 1) applied to me since I registered on the 18th but It is unlikely those are the actual new T&C.

Cutting many people out and applying a Cap for some and not Cap for others would have a negative result. First of
all, it is an overcomplicated solution. Secondly the number of users targeted would be reduced, reducing the
effect of the Promo. A Change like this to the T&C would not leave an even number of Amex users in each state to spread
the use of Amex and that is not good for Them.

Most important, Unlimited Points that can be earned with purchases worth a couple of dollars will certenly be against the T&C of the reward providers such as Qantas, other airlines, Hotels, etc.. unlimited points for a penny would devaluate their existing offers (look at the current offers for Joining Amex and the earn 1.5points for every dollar you spend offer)

No body mentions anything about the Corporate cards wich were excluded from all Promos from the begining as well. Many of the guys happy for the so called "new T&C" have posts saying they signed up for the promo on corporate cards.

I think the fix is coming and it will be a ONE KILLS ALL type of solution. In all examples given for all three
Promos there was 10,000 point per month sugestion.... Something on those lines I think would be in the letters we
will receive soon and possibly a minimum purchase value as it wasnt ruled out in the original T&C posted to us.

For now I think people shouldnt panic thinking they are out or in or already exceded their quota of points. If you
signed up for the promo (no matter how or when) then they will have to comunicate with you officially in writing of any changes to the way the Promo works, and not by a two line post in this site :mrgreen:

 

[deluxeflyer]

Amended T&C are up on the old "myreward" page.
sorry I can't put the link in as I am a junior member, but you'll all know the page address.

GRRRR !

 

[deluxeflyer]

If enrolled on or after 20 Sept, 10K cap per month applies.:evil:
So all who enrolled before 20 Sept enjoy uncapped bonus points, congratulations.

 

[deluxeflyer]

More importantly:

Extract from the T & C :

To qualify for this promotion, eligible Cardmembers must register with American Express before12pm (AESDT) 31 December 2008 An eligible Cardmembers is one who has received a personally addressed direct mail invitation, and registers in the program. Only one registration per Cardmember account is permitted.

 

[deluxeflyer]

I now wonder what happens to all those who did not receive the postcard, but were able to enrol by phone, like me.

I received my first, and so far, only 5K bonus on 22 Sept.
I haven't received any more bonus points since, which is due to the processing delays this week which have been discussed. So I guess all will be clearer on 1 October.

 

[deluxeflyer]

Hmmm. On further reading the 5K I received may be all that I will receive, or taken away at a later date:

The amended terms and conditions apply to all Cardmembers who enrolled in the offer from Saturday, 20 September.

Not happy Jan.

 

[colcha]

Looks to me like Amex has been closely monitoring the discussions that been taking place in this thread. Interestingly, Amex has specifically warned against "fraud and abuse" in the earning of points. Would be great if Amex could clear up much of the speculation that has been going on here by giving examples of what behaviour will and will not constitute fraud and/or abuse from their point of view.

 

[js]

Looks to me like Amex has been closely monitoring the discussions that been taking place in this thread. Interestingly, Amex has specifically warned against "fraud and abuse" in the earning of points. Would be great if Amex could clear up much of the speculation that has been going on here by giving examples of what behaviour will and will not constitute fraud and/or abuse from their point of view.

I suspect it is unlikely they will do this, or that it would be wise for them to do so. Seeing how much chatter has preceded this post already (and no doubt there is much more to come), there will be at least some portion of us who would be out to "game" whatever rules are set, working as close to the limits as possible.

Hard limits (or even reasonably well defined goal posts) are likely to make at some people work hard to milk those limits - and, perhaps, why not if those are in fact the advertised limits. In fact that is really the problem with the original promo wording - specifically saying no limits on amount or points earn, so why wouldn't some people by trying to go all out for this.

Personally, I am spending more and more often on AMEX and will continue to do so during the promo. While this will almost certainly drop somewhat after the promo (or if it is crippled too severely), it has already alerted me to some great uses of the card that I wasn't aware of in my local area. I'm sure these new insights will affect my long term behaviour.

In particular I had never realised Coles would take sub $10 AMEX payments, and will certainly visit more often on an ongoing basis for odd items (as I dislike carrying small change). Also, it has already (further) ingrained into my brain which of our local shops support AMEX and I'm much more likely to be concious now of supporting those that do - including a few more "gourmet" shops we hadn't previously used often that we have found to be excellent. We'll certainly be shopping in these a lot while the promo is on, and I'm sure will continue to rack up AMEX points at these establishments well after this promo ceases.

 

[snufl]

Is there any way of accessing the new T&Cs online without actually registering again? I have used old links I saved but they are now unavailable. Thanks.

 

[holo]

I can't access the Amex website at present
hopefully because they are using soo much bandwidth to add bonus points to my account

 

[zig]

I haven't been able to access the site this morning either - internal server error is the message received. Will try later in the day - after the Hawks loft the cup

 

[simongr]

No problem accessing the site today - but no bonus points accruing.