2019 Federal Election Discussion

[Pushka]

If the postal vote paperwork doesn't arrive in time, you are still able to vote in person at an early voting centre. Assuming you haven't left by then, of course.

The ‘main’ person involved will of course be travelling in Melbourne that week and won’t get to a booth although maybe they will be open on Saturday?

 

[JessicaTam]

The ‘main’ person involved will of course be travelling in Melbourne that week and won’t get to a booth although maybe they will be open on Saturday?

I don't know, and I can't find the opening hours on the AEC website. I will check when I am there next week and report back!

 

[Hvr]

Probably need another armed conflict for that to happen ..... conflict appears to be the only unifying force in politics.

War is incredibly divisive and wasteful of our people. We get involved in way too many armed conflicts that are none of our business. Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. And for reasons that are not related to Australia's national security.

Involvement in the Iraqi conflict was based on lies spread by Howard and the Liberal party relating to WMD which weren't there.

Remember hate the war, support the warrior.

Interesting story today about a $30K payment 'donation', to a major party and he now has pre selection for a winnable seat. So, buying a $230K job for 30K is a great deal. Jobs for the boys.

Better ROI than a former PM who spent $1 million at the last election.

 

[drron]

The WMD story is not so simple Hvr.Iraq certainly at one stage had WMD and used them.

Halabja massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The question is what happened to the stockpiles and equipment used for manufacturing nerve gas.One theory is that they were shipped to Syria where Bashad made use of them.

The claim of WMD though before the Iraq war came from US intelligence agencies.Not unknown that they could just make things up.

 

[amaroo]

Better ROI than a former PM who spent $1 million at the last election.

The best ROI is to use members fees and get a union to buy you a seat.

 

[Pushka]

War is incredibly divisive and wasteful of our people. We get involved in way too many armed conflicts that are none of our business. Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. And for reasons that are not related to Australia's national security.

Involvement in the Iraqi conflict was based on lies spread by Howard and the Liberal party relating to WMD which weren't there.

Remember hate the war, support the warrior.



Better ROI than a former PM who spent $1 million at the last election.

Oh, I thought it was Bush who used the WMD and UK and Aus got dragged along into that useless war.

 

[get me outta here]

Quite so. I am astounded at the ability to throw $30million at it though. And a person, who does not pay low income workers what he owes them. Terrible.

. Better ROI than a former PM who spent $1 million at the last election.

 

[drron]

But Clive Palmer is not unpopular in Townsville.I was working there in July,August last year and many former employees of QNI were appearing in his ads.
There is this on his Facebook page.
Clive Palmer
April 28, 2018 ·
The Truth about Clive Palmer.
Administrators confirm they refused Palmer’s offer to pay all bills and sacked 550 workers at Yabulu nickel refinery - destroying North Queensland’s economy
In a move that saw North Queensland lose over 2,500 jobs and effectively destroyed the lives of many of the people living in Townsville, the former administrator (now liquidator) of Queensland Nickel has confirmed in a sworn affidavit filed in the Supreme Court of Queensland that on the day she sacked all employees of Queensland Nickel she rejected an undertaking of Clive Mensink to pay all costs of the administration if she transferred all employees and assets to a new operator to allow the business to continue and the workers to keep their jobs.
Ms Trenfield acknowledged in her sworn affidavit that if she transferred the employees the business could have continued.
Clive Palmer stated in Brisbane today that he was grateful that Kelly-Anne Trenfield had not lied to the court.
“I gave strict instructions to Mr Mensink to give an undertaking to pay all bills and to transfer the workers so that the business could continue,’’ Mr Palmer said.
“Neither Mr Mensink or I could not do any more than offer to pay all costs owing at that time. If the administrator had accepted the money no one would have lost their job and Queensland Nickel would have continued to operate,’’ he said.
Mr Palmer said it was a disgrace that liquidators would put their own interests first and destroy the lives of so many people.
“Mr Mensink was a hero trying to save the employment of so many people, offering to pay all costs to keep people employed. He doesn’t deserve the way he has been treated,’’ Mr Palmer said.
“The abuse continues with the liquidators and their lawyers spending over 10 million dollars of taxpayer funds milking it for all they can, knowing they caused the suffering and blaming me to cover up their own wrong doing.
“It is a political abuse of the first order.
Taxpayer funds should not be the reward of people that are so heartless to the people of North Queensland,’’ he said.
“Taxpayer funds should be used for hospitals and schools not to line the pockets of $14,000 a day barristers, solicitors and heartless members of the insolvency profession.
“If the administrators had allowed all costs to be paid no one would lost their job and the Federal Government would not have had to pay the entitlements as no entitlements would have been needed if the work force was kept employed,’’ Mr Palmer said.
“The Federal government should sue the administrators.
John Park has form, it is not the first time he has done it. The reason they haven’t is because all liquidators belong to a club that put their profession before the taxpayer interests.”
Mr Palmer said he wanted to thank the Mayor of Townsville Jenny Hill for her apology.
“It’s good to see she finally understands the truth.
“The main task now is to see what can be done to open the refinery as soon as possible considering the high nickel price and to revitalise the North Queensland economy,’’ Mr Palmer said.

So I don't think it is as simple as Clive not paying up.
According to this article he had paid into the company the amount needed to pay the workers up until the time the liquidators took over.

https://www.businessfirstmagazine.com.au/clive-palmers-workers-owed-entitlements/14050/

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All that said I don't like and distrust the man so I hope he doesn't do well.

 

[get me outta here]

Although I haven’t paid much attention to what C Palmer is up to, I thought I had heard something about him paying the workers now.

 

[OATEK]

Involvement in the Iraqi conflict was based on lies spread by Howard and the Liberal party relating to WMD which weren't there.

This is very clearly not true. The chief publicist for WMD was in fact the Australian former diplomat Richard Butler, the inspector for UNSCOM (UN Weapons Inspector). He made very public statements to the effect that Iraq had WMD. Far from being associated with Howard & the Liberal Party, he was close to Labor who later appointed him Governor of Tasmania.

Yes, intelligence agencies got it wrong, and so did the UN.

 

[get me outta here]

The Libs have done a preference deal with C Palmer. I guess that $30m has paid off. With any luck there will be a fair bit of crash and burn.

 

[cove]

Relative just referred to him as that fat fu*k. I am just guessing that he is unimpressed with Mr Palmer.

 

[get me outta here]

Straight out of The Sopranos (That fat F).

Relative just referred to him as that fat fu*k. I am just guessing that he is unimpressed with Mr Palmer.

 

[kookaburra75]

If the postal vote paperwork doesn't arrive in time, you are still able to vote in person at an early voting centre. Assuming you haven't left by then, of course.

I always do a pre-poll vote to save me time on the day - even if I'm in the country. You only have to say that you won't be able to get to a polling booth on the day, there's no need to provide a reason. That does mean I miss out on the democracy sausage sandwiches though at the local school

 

[Pushka]

I always do a pre-poll vote to save me time on the day - even if I'm in the country. You only have to say that you won't be able to get to a polling booth on the day, there's no need to provide a reason. That does mean I miss out on the democracy sausage sandwiches though at the local school

None of our local offices have a sausage sizzle. Never. Ever.

So I’ve registered online for a mail vote but if it’s easier to go to the pre poll site can I do that instead?

 

[JessicaTam]

None of our local offices have a sausage sizzle. Never. Ever.

So I’ve registered online for a mail vote but if it’s easier to go to the pre poll site can I do that instead?

Yes you can. Registering for the mail vote does not preclude voting in person at either a pre-poll or polling day place. As long as you only vote once, of course!

 

[kookaburra75]

Yes you can. Registering for the mail vote does not preclude voting in person at either a pre-poll or polling day place. As long as you only vote once, of course!

But the old Al Capone principle works better - Vote Early and Vote Often

 

[cove]

We only have 67 to choose from in our Senate voting paper over in WA.

 

[amaroo]

The Libs have done a preference deal with C Palmer. I guess that $30m has paid off. With any luck there will be a fair bit of crash and burn.

Reports the ALP were using the CFMEU in an attempt to stitch up a preference deal with Palmer last week ... I suppose that's why they call it politics.

The Australian has confirmed from a source close to the meetings between the Construction Forestry Maritime Mining and Energy Union and UAP that Michael O’Connor — the union’s national secretary and the brother of Labor’s workplace relations spokesman, Brendan O’Connor — flew to Brisbane on Wednesday last week to meet Mr Palmer along with another union official.

Tanya Plibersek yesterday did not deny that Labor had been in preference negotiations with Mr Palmer. “I have no idea what’s happening with the preference negotiations,” Ms Plibersek said.

 

[VPS]

None of our local offices have a sausage sizzle. Never. Ever.

So I’ve registered online for a mail vote but if it’s easier to go to the pre poll site can I do that instead?

I almost always find one - you're obviously on the wrong side of Greenhill Rd