27th February Big Qantas announcement

[Moody]

Moody, a google search will quite easily show that perhaps your memory is a tad hazy on the topic.

I goggled "protracted union campaign of illegal wild cat strikes" and came up with nothing. How about you????

Oh - you mean when the pilots decided to take protected (i.e. - legal) industrial action for the first time since 1966 in an attempt to keep Qantas Australian? What - you don't remember? Why am I not surprised ...

 

[Moody]

It actually took balls and solved a long running industrial dispute, but the interpretation usually lies with your political persuasion.

It certainly brought the matter to a head - at a cost far exceeding the initial losses from industrial action - and permanently sullied the reputation of Qantas as a reliable carrier. That pigeon (amongst others) is now nailed to the roost.

 

[drron]

I goggled "protracted union campaign of illegal wild cat strikes" and came up with nothing. How about you????

Oh - you mean when the pilots decided to take protected (i.e. - legal) industrial action for the first time since 1966 in an attempt to keep Qantas Australian? What - you don't remember? Why am I not surprised ...

Timeline of Qantas industrial dispute

Next time google instead of goggle!

 

[Moody]

Timeline of Qantas industrial dispute

Next time google instead of goggle!

Sorry if my use of the term "goggle" confused you - it was just me being silly. But somehow I don't think you googled "protracted union campaign of illegal wild cat strikes", did you?

I'm still waiting for your mate JP to reply to that same question. Somehow I don't think I will get a sensible reply from either of you, but feel free to spring a surprise!

 

[drron]

Warren Buffet on airlines as an investment-

“Here’s a list of 129 airlines that in the past 20 years filed for bankruptcy. Continental was smart enough to make that list twice. As of 1992, in fact – though the picture would have improved since then –the money that had been made since the dawn of aviation by all of this country’s airline companies was zero. Absolutely zero.
Sizing all this up, I like to think that if I’d been at Kitty Hawk in 1903 when Orville Wright took off, I would have been farsighted enough, and public-spirited enough –I owed this to future capitalists – to shoot him down. I mean, Karl Marx couldn’t have done as much damage to capitalists as Orville did.”

 

[drron]

Sorry if my use of the term "goggle" confused you - it was just me being silly. But somehow I don't think you googled "protracted union campaign of illegal wild cat strikes", did you?

I'm still waiting for your mate JP to reply to that same question. Somehow I don't think I will get a sensible reply from either of you, but feel free to spring a surprise!

My link I consider a sensible reply.Not all of the Industrial action was"protected".Hence can be called illegal wild cat strikes.Though I admit some peoples politics will mean that they cant acknowledge that fact.

 

[Pushka]

petercr the following is not aimed at you....

What a useless exercise! If you want to change the board/CEO put your money where your mouth is! The shareholders will act when they see a need to do so.

You really think so? Corporations own most of the shares and maybe they have a different agenda?

 

[amaroo]

You really think so?

Yes.

.........

 

[Moody]

My link I consider a sensible reply.Not all of the Industrial action was"protected".Hence can be called illegal wild cat strikes.Though I admit some peoples politics will mean that they cant acknowledge that fact.

It was a good link (though the poor attempt at libel spoilt the post somewhat). What it didn't do was back up the claim that AJ was forced into shutting down the airline by a "protracted union campaign of illegal wild cat strikes".

If you show me the facts that they were acting illegally then I am happy to accept them - unions are by no means always the knights in shining armour- but I reject the revisionist claims that AJ was a hero that day. In fact it is not entirely coincidental that things have gone rapidly downhill since then. If you have a disillusioned workforce then its hard to sell your vision.

 

[cove]

Voluntary redundancy offers are issuing at the moment so the restructuring is a work in progress now.
It could be a good option to cut the directors fees and their expenses by about half and then reduce some senior executives packages significantly to share the downturn.

 

[amaroo]

........love the belly

 

[petercr]

L.ooks a bit like Tony Abbott getting whacked in the face...

 

[Happy Trails]

Rear facing seats?

 

[amaroo]

Rear facing seats?

Sums up the three amigos perfectly

 

[JohnK]

You really think so? Corporations own most of the shares and maybe they have a different agenda?

Super funds? Useless as a pair of cough on a bull.

Obviously their agenda is to destroy Qantas.

 

[Deleted member]

Super funds? Useless as a pair of cough on a bull.

Obviously their agenda is to destroy Qantas.

Super funds need to make money, shares in airlines are not the way to go.

 

[Pushka]

Super funds? Useless as a pair of cough on a bull.

Obviously their agenda is to destroy Qantas.

Ah SMSF are an excellent investment vehicle. But ours has no Q shares. Used to have MaP though. In another lifetime.

 

[ComeFlyWithMe]

It certainly brought the matter to a head - at a cost far exceeding the initial losses from industrial action - and permanently sullied the reputation of Qantas as a reliable carrier. That pigeon (amongst others) is now nailed to the roost.

I disagree with your assertion about reputation. I know many people, including myself, who found flying with QF an uncertain experience around that time and sent their bookings elsewhere. After the grounding, confidence increased.

 

[drron]

I disagree with your assertion about reputation. I know many people, including myself, who found flying with QF an uncertain experience around that time and sent their bookings elsewhere. After the grounding, confidence increased.

And the Fair Work Australia report at the time gave the cost of the shutdown at $70 million and the cost of the preceeding industrial action at $68 million.

 

[QF WP]

That was the financial cost - which doesn't include the reputational cost. Goodwill and loyalty are much harder to value