A quick poll - Nude-o-matics, for or against?

[JohnK]

Totally against it and don't see any benefit over and above current screening of which I am not a fan of anyway.

I can't take a metal fork through security but I can get 100's of metal forks in the lounge or on board the aircraft. That makes me feel real safe....

 

[munitalP]

Totally against it and don't see any benefit over and above current screening of which I am not a fan of anyway.

I can't take a metal fork through security but I can get 100's of metal forks in the lounge or on board the aircraft. That makes me feel real safe....

I (unknowingly) have been carrying a fork and a spoon in my laptop bag (from taking lunch to work!) and I figure they have been in there for 2-3 months

Never raised an eyebrow in any airport in AU I have been through

FWIW

 

[Simo]

I (unknowingly) have been carrying a fork and a spoon in my laptop bag (from taking lunch to work!) and I figure they have been in there for 2-3 months

Never raised an eyebrow in any airport in AU I have been through

FWIW

That is the problem that security can be inconsistent.

I got pulled up one day for having medical tape in my lap top bag. I had 2 broken toes and they needed to be strapped so that is what i used. After some discussions with security staff they allowed me to take it on board.

 

[munitalP]

That is the problem that security can be inconsistent.

I got pulled up one day for having medical tape in my lap top bag. I had 2 broken toes and they needed to be strapped so that is what i used. After some discussions with security staff they allowed me to take it on board.

Disagree - consistent!

With the cutlery I have travelled:

QF - BNE, SYD, MEL, ADL, MKY, KTA & PER
VA - SYD, MEL, OOL, BNE

Not picked up once - that is consistent

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Disagree - consistent!

With the cutlery I have travelled:

QF - BNE

Not picked up once - that is consistent

Got a fork taken off me in BNE, however, ROK-BNE, it was ok.

 

[munitalP]

Got a fork taken off me in BNE, however, ROK-BNE, it was ok.

BNE seem to think my Armani belt is some form of weapon. The only security in Australia where I can't pass through in DOM without having to remove it...

 

[bigfoot786]

Im all for security, and though we agree that someone wanting to take a bomb or weapon onto a plane would be loony, do we really think they're dumb enough to simply strap it to themselves nowadays?
It's the same crazy over the top "security" BS as when the US TSA stopped EVERY MAN with a beard, long pakistani type outfit and prayer cap. Did they really think that was the disguise a bomber was going to go with after 911?

Australian's should at least also be given the option for an opt out pat down. On that, we should also be allowed to choose which security guard pats us down ok now I'm being cheeky.

 

[JohnPhelan]

I got pulled up one day for having medical tape in my lap top bag. I had 2 broken toes and they needed to be strapped so that is what i used. After some discussions with security staff they allowed me to take it on board.

What ??!! Since when is medical tape on the prohibited list?! I hope you asked to speak to the supervisor (or wrote a letter afterwards) - it's not up to individual security officers to randomly add items to the prohibited list ....

 

[Ewing]

I got pulled up one day for having medical tape in my lap top bag. I had 2 broken toes and they needed to be strapped so that is what i used. After some discussions with security staff they allowed me to take it on board.

Yet I had a bag of cable ties in my carry-on bag for months going between our datacentres. I didn't even realise they weren't allowed until I came across the list of prohibited items which places them in "Items capable of being used to restrain someone" category.

Not mentioned once by security. I removed them of my own accord.

 

[serfty]

What ??!! Since when is medical tape on the prohibited list?! I hope you asked to speak to the supervisor (or wrote a letter afterwards) - it's not up to individual security officers to randomly add items to the prohibited list ....

However, "Tape" is prohibited (since one can use it to restrain people).

Maybe this was a rather green / officious staff member.

 

[Ewing]

However, "Tape" is prohibited (since one can use it to restrain people).

Maybe this was a rather green / officious staff member.

I can't see any mention of it here: Prohibited items

Recent change?

 

[oz_mark]

However, "Tape" is prohibited (since one can use it to restrain people).

As can almost all electrical/power cables, and they seem to be allowed on.

 

[serfty]

As can almost all electrical/power cables, and they seem to be allowed on.

Only posting from experince - had a roll of masking tape confiscated at CNS some years ago.

Who am I to argue over $1.99 worth of tape ...

 

[Skyring]

I really don't care either way. I don't care that someone has to suffer seeing an essentially disrobed me - I would advise them not to be eating at the time.

Yeees, and there are any number of people here who say they don't mind. But when children and teenagers are going through, or celebrities, there's the potential for abuse, surely?

 

[drewbles]

Yet I had a bag of cable ties in my carry-on bag for months going between our datacentres. I didn't even realise they weren't allowed until I came across the list of prohibited items which places them in "Items capable of being used to restrain someone" category.

Not mentioned once by security. I removed them of my own accord.

I always wondered (never looked) about cable ties. I frequently carry them due to my work (cable tying funnily enough!) and never had boo said.

I also usually carry a lot of Ethernet patch leads (2/5m ones) which have never been removed.

They have been through hundreds of airports checkpoints too. Perhaps the plastic just doesn't show up enough.

 

[harvyk]

Yet I had a bag of cable ties in my carry-on bag for months going between our datacentres. I didn't even realise they weren't allowed until I came across the list of prohibited items which places them in "Items capable of being used to restrain someone" category.

Not mentioned once by security. I removed them of my own accord.

But the shoulder straps on my carry on bag could easily fit into the "Items capable of being used to restrain someone" category, and yet this is on a bag sold as a carry on luggage bag. Hell, I'm pretty sure I could use my coat / jumper / t-shirt to restrain someone if it really came down to it... Besides if a pax was trying to restrain someone, either they have identified a terrorist, and thus restraining them (with the support of all other pax on board), or they are a terrorist, and I'm pretty sure in this day and age, in the time it would take to restrain one pax on a flight, the other 199 pax would have jumped them.

I know that we would be counted amongst the armchair experts, but it really does make you wonder if the people making the decisions have in fact done a proper risk assessment.

 

[boylero]

Totally against it, bowing down to the USA's corrupt government, in order to continue their flawed foreign policy. It will not make you any safer and you civil liberties will be further eroded. 1984 was a warning, not a guidebook.

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[Simo]

I understand that tape could be used to restrain someone.

Because it had the word medical on the inside I was able to keep it.

I was about to go for a shower and then was going to have to reapply the tape to my toes.

Would have been in pain without the tape.

 

[trippin_the_rift]

I understand that tape could be used to restrain someone.

Because it had the word medical on the inside I was able to keep it.

I was about to go for a shower and then was going to have to reapply the tape to my toes.

Would have been in pain without the tape.

Nice one. I'll have to get the nikko out and write Medical on my Mt Franklin next time.

 

[Skyring]

I understand that tape could be used to restrain someone.

Because it had the word medical on the inside I was able to keep it.

I was about to go for a shower and then was going to have to reapply the tape to my toes.

Would have been in pain without the tape.

I've had a broken toe - on a RTW trip - and the tape did nothing for the pain. Pear Cider and Panadol worked wonders, but the best was BA's Champagne Bar at LHR T4. A couple of hours in there and I was feeling nothing at all except immense hilarity.

One could probably take a straitjacket on as carry on and nobody would notice. Cable ties are commonly used as handcuffs by police, a length of fishing line can kill, broken glass or ceramics can be as sharp as any razor, and if you want explosives, a hunk of sodium combined with water freely available onboard delivers a useful wallop.

The next attacks aren't going to be like the last ones. The nudeoscopes are aimed at the failed underwear bomber type and anyone trying that again will push the stuff inside where no scope or patdown will find it. Or find weapons that will pass security or can be explained away. A bunch of cable ties is no big deal if security finds them.

But realistically, it took the passengers on United 93 about half an hour to work out how to foil the hijackers' plot. Any future hijack of that nature will face a whole plane full of passengers and crew who know that they only have one chance to survive and that is to fight back.

The best security isn't goons at gates seizing nail clippers and knitting needles. It's good intelligence to identify plots early, and good observation skills to pick out the passengers "acting hinky". I think these nudeoscopes are an expensive and useless and embarrassing waste.