A320 German-wings accident in Southern France

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This incident has been mentioned to me off line.
Indeed, seems to be a bit of topic of conversation. The Guardian report also mentions it. Quite how much if any relevance it has who knows. A terrible day for aviation. Much like the MH deaths. When something happens to an airline and/or aircraft so far removed from what we would see ourselves flying its sad but easier psychologically to distance oneself from it. When it happens to an A320 on the German equivalent of JQ its very hard to take it in and make sense of it.
 
ABC 24 had some woman from the Melbourne committee (Kate) who just described Germanwings as a German carrier that flies to Mediterranean destinations. *facepalm

Seriously how can they have someone on their show who knows virtually nothing about the Airline? Germanwings has many destinations. Anyway the woman is the CEO Kate Roffery.
 
Horrible news, particularly with so many children onboard. I am sure this hits close to home for anyone who has travelled in Europe. Thoughts and prayers to the families of those who were onboard.

EDIT - the media coverage has been frustrating and filled with assumptions and inaccuracies. It is a tragedy, and the speculation by journalists and experts who know hardly anything is insulting to families imo.
 
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Confirmed this morning 2 Australians on Board.
 
This incident has been mentioned to me off line.

Well interesting that there wouldnt be a distress call during the uncommanded 8 minute descent if that is the cause. Also no mention of a change of track away from mountains
 
Sad news, and not surprising Aussies on board.
We Aussies seem to be here there and everywhere on all manner of flights.
My youngest son flys to Frankfurt on Thursday night for another adventure.
 
As one pilot was asked why no distress call? His answer: We are taught to first Aviate, then Navigate and then finally Communicate.
 
As one pilot was asked why no distress call? His answer: We are taught to first Aviate, then Navigate and then finally Communicate.

True. However 8 mins is a long time and the navigate bit didn't happen either. decompression / crew incapacitated (unconscious ) seems possible.

very sad anyway. Rip
 
ABC 24 had some woman from the Melbourne committee (Kate) who just described Germanwings as a German carrier that flies to Mediterranean destinations. *facepalm

Seriously how can they have someone on their show who knows virtually nothing about the Airline? Germanwings has many destinations. Anyway the woman is the CEO Kate Roffery.

Admittedly it was at 5 something am this morning while i was still half asleep, but the words I heard were more along the lines of "seems mostly to fly to Mediterranean destinations".

Well interesting that there wouldnt be a distress call during the uncommanded 8 minute descent if that is the cause. Also no mention of a change of track away from mountains

Dealing with the situation? The third hand report of the LH incident is that they had to "power down" the navigation system and restart it, recovering control at a very low altitude (something like 2000m or 2000feet). I'm assuming that is a complex process. Of course, I've got this info third hand so don't be surprised if the details i'm relaying are wrong. Edit: have read the AV Herald, my details are incorrect. But it did seem to take LH pilots a while to deal with it.

Also the initial news reports last night seemed to mention some kind of distress call. Not sure why that's changed now.

As one pilot was asked why no distress call? His answer: We are taught to first Aviate, then Navigate and then finally Communicate.

Sad news, and not surprising Aussies on board.
We Aussies seem to be here there and everywhere on all manner of flights.
My youngest son flys to Frankfurt on Thursday night for another adventure.

Julie Bishop said it best about Australian's being inveterate travellers.
 
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Horrible news.

For me, I keep thinking about the slow descent storyline - tragic news for everyone involved.
 
The distress call was apparently French ATC marking the aircraft as in distress because they couldn't contact it. Also explains the time difference between flightradar etc and the reported time of the call.
 
A rather sombre mood when the story is mentioned around here. Maybe it's because the French Alps are a lot closer than we think in our town. Maybe it's because we live in a country also with a large (in fact, majority) German populace. Maybe it's because the national airline here is also part of the same consortium. Maybe because it's an intra-European route, and air travel means a lot to Europeans, both for business and leisure. Maybe it's because of the aircraft which is most commonly used for short haul operations in Europe, the A320 (the 4U aircraft in question) is one of, if not the, most common.

RIP to all the lost souls on board.


The FT board (specifically, the Miles & More forum) has a dedicated sticky thread for discussions on the incident, including wiki summary. There were quite a slew of speculative and inflammatory posts of previous (think Qantas is to anti-Jetstar as Lufthansa is to...... as well as post-MH17 "why did MH fly there" type accusations), but the moderation team has taken firm control over the thread.
 
The lack of a radio call is not relevant. 8 minutes may be a long time if you are doing nothing. When busy it can seem to last seconds. It is very low on the priority list.

The Lufthansa pitch down event last year was an activation of the angle of attack protection. It does NOT establish a stable dive, but would continue to push in forward stick. If kept up the dive would be vertical, not a stable 3,500 fpm descent. At the time it happened, there was no laid down procedure (there is now), but turning off two air data computers will force the aircraft into a flight law that does not have alpha protection. Once recognised, it would only take a few seconds. At this stage I don't see this as being a flight control event.

Interesting things. Stable heading. Reasonably stable sink rate. 3,500 fpm is not as extreme as being intimated by some. You don't hit it every day in normal ops, but easily attained if you want. To give you an idea, the 380 can probably hit 9,000 in a high speed descent with speed brake. QF30 descent was about 5,000 fpm.
 
Such a tragic event. Not only because it hits close to home with Australian's involved, but because so many children were on board as well.

Like any aviation incident, mainstream media seem to have outdone themselves with idle speculation and just plain poor reporting, with assistance from their 'experts'. My personal favourite is the news limited story about A320 safety with a picture of a QF737 :shock:

I did find the interview on Sky News with Geoffrey Thomas to be calm and balanced - mentioning LHs reputation for maintenance, despite the high hours and cycles on the aircraft (I think it was around 58,000 hours and 47,000 cycles). I didn't realise that over 5000 A320s are in service across the world. 't was refreshing to see no idle speculation and wild theories.

At least there are reliable sources for information, if you know where to look (AFF and I like avhearld)
 
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