Air New Zealand new partner

[lovetravellingoz]

I read your entire post, not a single sentence. And it pretty much consisted of a single question. Sorry that you thought I was jumping on you, but your question really didn't make any sense to me.

That is ok that it did not make sense to you.

But I was replying dajop to determine what rate they, dajop, were accruing points at MR....ie what rate would he be accruing at to get the 100 points in the example (from his response I knew it was not 1.5 and guessed it he was on 1.0).

My interest is as stated that I have both Altitude and Amex cards.

 

[kiwial]

NZ flights using MR points 30% cheaper than QF

The NZ flights are good value on the short haul. They are significantly cheaper than the QF AnySeat and Classic rewards when there is a discounted fare on offer.

Based on a return trip, the current NZ sale fare SYD-AKL can get you seats for 142 APD's (which is 14200 MR points) or A$142 cash, plus taxes etc of A$243.32

On QF, with Classic you will pay 36000 MR points for the same sector, plus taxes of $245.44 or you can buy the red e-deal fare for A$182 plus the taxes.

QF AnySeat will see you spend 56,666 MR points, with no taxes or 36000 MR points plus A$245.44 (the same as the Classic seat).

I performed a number of different date searches and the above fares were indicative of current sale fares available. These NZ and QF fares were based on the lowest fare for same time and day.

[SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]The NZ flights save you 11800 MR points. Whether one argues that this is the best use of points due to the cheap fare and instead decide to save the points for upgrades, purchase of longhaul or J seats, that all comes to down to individual choice. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]The fact is, dollar for dollar NZ beats QF when using MR for fares less than A$360 return (ex taxes). In this instance the argument is still quite compelling at 30+% less than QF Classic, if you front up with the tax $$.[/SIZE][/SIZE]

I have not re-checked this again after QF announced the reduction in fuel levy, however one would suspect NZ will follow and the above comparison will still be valid, albeit with lower taxes. [/SIZE]

 

[dajop]

NZ flights using MR points 30% cheaper than QF

The NZ flights are good value on the short haul. They are significantly cheaper than the QF AnySeat and Classic rewards when there is a discounted fare on offer.
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Also can be worthwhile for individual domestic sectors within NZ, so on JQ/QF you can travel a single sector for 8000pt, this is equivalent to fares for 80AUD=95NZD. Aside from the fact that NZ fly to a lot more places than QF do/JQ will.

It is actually better though if you have an altitude Amex - in your example above you'd only need to the equivalent of 11,360 QFF pts!

Wonder what the transtasman comparison is compared to Velocity on DJ?

 

[straitman]

Going OT here and beating an old drum yet again. (Apologies where appropriate)

I personally would never transfer any points from anywhere to Air New Zealand.

I have too many friends who were severely affected by the Air New Zealand systematic disassembly and trashing of Ansett to ever have any dealing with Air New Zealand unless there is no other option :!: :evil:

 

[kiwial]

straitman, you seem to forget that Ansett was a basket case well before NZ got involved. They would have self destructed with or without NZ's involvement.

The airline today is a far cry from the one that was stupid enough to get involved in AN and none of the management team are there any longer. I don't fly them very often due to our contract with QF, however given the choice, I would fly NZ where possible.

Get over your hangups and give them a try - you may find that you enjoy flying with them (god forbid!!)

 

[straitman]

straitman, you seem to forget that Ansett was a basket case well before NZ got involved. They would have self destructed with or without NZ's involvement.

Ansett had been strpiped once but could/would have survived if they had not been systematically stripped completely a second time. If you need some facts they are readily available. Newer parts transfered to NZ a/c and old parts to Ansett a/c etc. These are not urban myths, they are fact.

The airline today is a far cry from the one that was stupid enough to get involved in AN and none of the management team are there any longer. I don't fly them very often due to our contract with QF, however given the choice, I would fly NZ where possible.

Yep, the management team got their pay out but the workers have still not got all their entitlements.

Get over your hangups and give them a try - you may find that you enjoy flying with them (god forbid!!)

There are some things in life that you don't get over :!: The Air New Zealand fiasco with Ansett is one of them in my case. As I said I saw too many lives either destroyed or lost by this debarkle and too many life time friends who still can't talk to each other.

I will fly Air New Zealand as I consider they are safe but I won't fly them by choice.

 

[pauly7]

I will fly Air New Zealand as I consider they are safe but I won't fly them by choice.

When AirNZ return my 60,000 GR points I'll fly them by choice

But I do understand they are a very different beast now compared to the corrupt old boys club they used to be.

 

[straitman]

When AirNZ return my 60,000 GR points I'll fly them by choice

But I do understand they are a very different beast now compared to the corrupt old boys club they used to be.

Thanks pauly7,

I'll add the 148,000 points I lost to my list of demands :!:

 

[Flashback]

Thanks pauly7,

I'll add the 148,000 points I lost to my list of demands :!:

And my father's 400,000! :evil:

 

[RB]

Add another 500,000 to the septic count

 

[nlagalle]

Based on a return trip, the current NZ sale fare SYD-AKL can get you seats for 142 APD's (which is 14200 MR points) or A$142 cash, plus taxes etc of A$243.32

On QF, with Classic you will pay 36000 MR points for the same sector, plus taxes of $245.44 or you can buy the red e-deal fare for A$182 plus the taxes.

QF AnySeat will see you spend 56,666 MR points, with no taxes or 36000 MR points plus A$245.44 (the same as the Classic seat).

[SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]The NZ flights save you 11800 MR points. Whether one argues that this is the best use of points due to the cheap fare and instead decide to save the points for upgrades, purchase of longhaul or J seats, that all comes to down to individual choice. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+0][SIZE=+0]The fact is, dollar for dollar NZ beats QF when using MR for fares less than A$360 return (ex taxes). In this instance the argument is still quite compelling at 30+% less than QF Classic, if you front up with the tax $$.[/SIZE][/SIZE]
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Based on your prices, using AMEX's travelkey service it would cost you about:

QF: 42,700 MR points, plus you'll get SC and FF points for the flight.

Air NZ: 38,500 MR points and you'd earn whatever you get in the Air NZ program...

Of course that is based on using your points to pay for the airfare and tazxes too..

 

[futaris]

Funnily enough they've listed it at Membership Rewards Frequent Traveller - American Express Australia

But it incorrectly says that enrollment is free, when it actually costs AUD $50.

 

[futaris]

American Express Australia – MR – Air NewZealand

We proudly welcome our latest airline partner, Air New Zealand. As a result, you’ll enjoy greater value and options in the skies.

You'll be able to book any seat available on Air New Zealand - including sales and promotional fares. In fact – the airline was the one of the first to introduce 'any seat’ redemptions.

100 Membership Rewards points = 1 Airpoints Dollar = 1 Australian Dollar

Sign up today, and you’ll save in three ways.

To welcome you, Air New Zealand Airpoints is offering three outstanding offers until
10 May 2009:

1. Transfer your points and receive 50% bonus Airpoints Dollars.

2. They’ll waive your joining fee for the program – usually AU $50.

3. Air New Zealand Koru lounge one year membership reduced to NZ $370,
saving you NZ $375.

Redeeming is easy:

1. To apply for Airpoints membership and to qualify for the Joining Fee waiver, visit
airnewzealand.com.au/airpoints then go to “Join Airpoints” and at the end of
the online application form and enter the offer code “AMEXAUS” in the
payment screen. This offer is ONLY open to Australian residents.

2. Visit mronline.americanexpress.com to register your Airpoints Membership
Number and redeem your points.

3. Start using your Airpoints Dollars!

Understanding the value of your points is easy - take a look at the examples in the table below to see where your points could take you.

Terms and Conditions

Subject to the Terms and Conditions of the Membership Rewards program

1. To transfer Membership Rewards points into Air New Zealand Airpoints you must be enrolled in Membership Rewards Ascent or Ascent Premium and be a member of Airpoints. Membership of Airpoints is the Cardmember’s responsibility and is the subject to the Airpoints terms and conditions. A joining fee of AU$50 applies. Under Membership Rewards Ascent and Ascent Premium a minimum of 2,000 Membership Rewards points may be redeemed for Air New Zealand Airpoints Dollars at any one time and must be in whole numbers. Once Membership Rewards have been redeemed for Air New Zealand Airpoints Dollars they cannot be reversed and are governed by the terms and conditions of the Airpoints programme. For conditions and bookings visit airnewzealand.com.au

2. Bonus Airpoints Dollars are awarded only on Membership Rewards points that are redeemed between 16 March 2009 and 10 May 2009. Airpoints Joining Fee will be waived for Membership Rewards Ascent and Ascent Premium members who apply online for Airpoints membership between 16 March 2009 and 10 May 2009. This offer is ONLY open to Australian residents.

3. To apply for Airpoints membership and to qualify for the Joining Fee waiver, visit airnewzealand.com.au/airpoints then go to “Join Airpoints” and at the end of the online application form and enter the offer code “AMEXAUS ” in the payment screen. This offer is ONLY open to Australian residents.

4. Apply online for Koru one year membership between 16 March 2009 and 10 May 2009 for a reduced joining and membership fee of NZ $370. To apply for Koru one year membership and to qualify for the reduced membership fee, visit airnewzealand.com.au/airpoints/koru then go to “Join Koru” and at the end of the online application form and enter the offer code “AMEXAUS ” in the payment screen. This offer is ONLY open to Australian residents.

5. Air fares accurate as of 05/02/2009. Australia to New Zealand fares shown are one-way year-round fares exclusive of all taxes and surcharges. International routes shown are return year-round fares inclusive of all taxes and surcharges For the latest fares, please visit airnewzealand.com.au

 

[serfty]

Interesting. I use the free enrolment promotion to get an Air-points account.

I moved to NZ and now have been comped GE.

I have a booking AKL-LAX return for next year (for NZD933) and wish to upgrade to PE (J service, Y+ seating).

This is 220 airbucks - as a GE the upgrade is a shoe-in.

The promo finished in May, however I transferred 22,000 MR points to AirNZ for my first

220 - lo and behold I was credited

277.50 at an exchange rate of 0.7928.