Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'

[rigpig]

Rules are rules, whether they are technologically correct or not. Why be polite? If people are clearly ignoring the instructions, tellthem, and/or call the FA.

 

[sydunipete]

Interesting in China there is no such thing as flight mode. If it looks, sounds, feels or smells like a mobile phone it has to be off, flight mode or not. Of course if it doesn't look, sound, feel or smell like a mobile phone and has a set of headphones attached to it you can keep it on even during descent and landing.

Yes, I found the same thing on 4 long haul Air China flights. Every time I was asked to not use my iPhone (even though it was in flight mode), but my iPad was perfectly fine. Go figure.

 

[FrustratedQP]

How hard is it? Turn the bloody thing off. I don’t know if it’s safe or not, I assume that there is some sort of safety problem if I’m required to turn it off so what if there isn’t, nobody will ever suffer an interference problem if it’s off, but they might if it’s on. If you are the person who doesn’t abide by the rules, you are arrogant. Who are you to make that decision, that may affect my safety, on my behalf!!!

 

[neon_crossing]

Yeah, uh, labelling such people as 'do-gooders' tends to suggest that you are indeed being judgemental. Thanks for the laugh though.

Only meant do-gooders to those who feel the need to 'tell off' people acting as the naughty police. If you genuinely feel your safety is at risk you can ask them or remind them to turn it off, was trying to suggest a way without making yourself look like an asshole.
Not looking to judge anyone here, I really couldn't care less.

But on the topic of Other pax being annoying, one of my pet hates is for pax winging and moaning to sit next to eachother (especially when no kids involved) when they have two tickets away from eachother, bad luck you didn't plan thing that well, stop holding up FA's and trying to move other passengers so you can sit next to your significant other for the 90minute flight!

 

[drron]

But on the topic of Other pax being annoying, one of my pet hates is for pax winging and moaning to sit next to eachother (especially when no kids involved) when they have two tickets away from eachother, bad luck you didn't plan thing that well, stop holding up FA's and trying to move other passengers so you can sit next to your significant other for the 90minute flight!

And there you go assuming they made no effort to plan.Well i can tell you that on at least 3 occasions I have allocated seats next to mrsdrron and at checkin found that those selections had not held even though I had checked on the morning of the flight.Occurred once on QF,JAL and AA-this was the only time the airline had an excuse-the original flight was cancelled.Though I have had it sorted at checkin except on AA when not only apart but downgraded to Y.

 

[SeatBackForward]

And there you go assuming they made no effort to plan.Well i can tell you that on at least 3 occasions I have allocated seats next to mrsdrron and at checkin found that those selections had not held even though I had checked on the morning of the flight.Occurred once on QF,JAL and AA-this was the only time the airline had an excuse-the original flight was cancelled.Though I have had it sorted at checkin except on AA when not only apart but downgraded to Y.

+1 for similar experience, had selected A/B seats, upon checkin was moved to two E (centre) seats 5 rows apart...no reason to be annoyed right?

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[serfty]

Some very good posts discussing the WHY of PEDs being off when instructed by crew have been moved (see below).

This thread is about the HOW to deal with neighbouring PAX who appear to be ignoring/flouting such instruction.

As before:

To Reiterate:

Originally Posted by serfty
This thread is not about that. To quote the OP:

Those who wish to debate the why's please see discussions in these threads:

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ons/peds-off-during-various-flight-35476.html

http://www.australianfrequentflyer.c...ier-26959.html (Electronic Devices order getting earlier?)

Posts have been moved!

 

[drsmithy]

While somewhat interesting this tangent is thus far lacking relevance to the OP's question.

So the important issue here is - assuming not turning off PEDs really is an "offence" - if we notice another passenger has not turned off their PEDs and fail to act on that knowledge, are we liable as an "accessory" ?

 

[epsc]

Some very good posts discussing the WHY of PEDs being off when instructed by crew have been moved (see below).

This thread is about the HOW to deal with neighbouring PAX who appear to be ignoring/flouting such instruction.

As before:

I respect the decision to move the debate to another thread, but - I always like to know the BASIS for something before I decide on how I will act when someone isn't doing it. An instruction not to blow your nose isn't one that I'd enforce. If this forum has the capacity to better inform us all then that is valuable - the sort of person who would thumb his/her nose at a crew directive to turn off a device is not the sort of person I'd necessarily want to start a stoush with unless I knew something more than 'you were told to turn it off - do it!!'. This issue accordingly bears upon the question of HOW one should deal with such a situation, IMO.

 

[serfty]

I respect the decision to move the debate to another thread, but - I always like to know the BASIS for something before I decide on how I will act when someone isn't doing it. An instruction not to blow your nose isn't one that I'd enforce. If this forum has the capacity to better inform us all then that is valuable - the sort of person who would thumb his/her nose at a crew directive to turn off a device is not the sort of person I'd necessarily want to start a stoush with unless I knew something more than 'you were told to turn it off - do it!!'. This issue accordingly bears upon the question of HOW one should deal with such a situation, IMO.

That's fine - however this thread is not for that discussion. The debate has already been discussed in this 'ad nauseum' over many years and it's preferable to keep such posts in the one (contemporary) place.

This thread is titled "Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'" and is for discussion for those who will comply with such instruction and are faced with fellow PAX who don't/won't etc.

Please feel welcome to discuss the WHY (or reasons for the instruction) in the following thread: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ons/peds-off-during-various-flight-35476.html

 

[MEL_Traveller]

...are we liable as an "accessory" ?

no. (but it seems that answer is too short so I'll pad the post with some more words )

 

[drsmithy]

This thread is titled "Approaches for dealing with 'electronic devices off'" and is for discussion for those who will comply with such instruction and are faced with fellow PAX who don't/won't etc.

In that case it should be a pretty short thread, since the only possible reactions are:

a) Do nothing
b) Tell a flight attendant or pilot
c) Be a vigilante

Which one of those an individual chooses is inseparable from their belief of the "why" question.

 

[serfty]

In that case it should be a pretty short thread, since the only possible reactions are:

a) Do nothing
b) Tell a flight attendant or pilot
c) Be a vigilante

Which one of those an individual chooses is inseparable from their belief of the "why" question.

Hmmm ... last time I looked there were over a hundred posts in this thread.

In any case, how about all three.

Sadly, I have had that of b, c and a all in the one episode (although c was not aggressive on my part and a was after all else had failed).

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Some AFF members would have had a heart-attack on the flight I just took.

Berlin (Tegel) -> Budapest. Air Berlin.

During Taxi and Take Off, multiple iPads and iPhones on and in use.
Decent and Landing, multipul iPads, Blackberry, Macbook Pro on and in use.

And that was what I could see from my seat, l'm sure there were more turned on throughout the plane.
FA's did asked people to turn them off, as soon as FA turned around, devices were back on.

'meh...

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Some AFF members would have had a heart-attack on the flight I just took.

Berlin (Tegel) -> Budapest. Air Berlin.

During Taxi and Take Off, multiple iPads and iPhones on and in use.
Decent and Landing, multipul iPads, Blackberry, Macbook Pro on and in use.

And that was what I could see from my seat, l'm sure there were more turned on throughout the plane.
FA's did asked people to turn them off, as soon as FA turned around, devices were back on.

'meh...

nope. don't believe you. impossible. all those people ignoring cabin crew instructions - should all be banned from flying and the police would have been there to meet the plane... and the plane would have crashed.

It was all an illusion!! :shock::mrgreen:

 

[Oneworldplus2]

nope. don't believe you. impossible. all those people ignoring cabin crew instructions - should all be banned from flying and the police would have been there to meet the plane... and the plane would have crashed.

It was all an illusion!! :shock::mrgreen:

MEL_Traveller, l would have taken a photo, but my mobile was off....

 

[jb747]

You still don't explain why.

Why? Because it is possible, though extremely unlikely, for your device to interfere with the aircraft.

A FIRST HAND example from a few years ago....in cruise the aircraft was rolling left and right by a few degrees. We were able to track this down to a child's toy being operated in business class. Turn it on, wing rock. Turn it off, stable.

The deviation in cruise was tiny, but, a tiny deviation in an auto land might mean missing the runway.

The problem is that we, and you, have no idea what the ramifications are. I'd really rather not find out.

 

[Daggs01]

Is the turn off (after flight mode enabled) for take off and landing designed so that said PEDs do not become "missiles" around the cabin?

I could imagine an iphone smashing someone in the head during a landing.

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[drsmithy]

Is the turn off (after flight mode enabled) for take off and landing designed so that said PEDs do not become "missiles" around the cabin?

I could imagine an iphone smashing someone in the head during a landing.

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Only if you think turning something off affects how it flies through the air.

 

[markis10]

Only if you think turning something off affects how it flies through the air.

Something turned off is unlikely to be un-stowed for long, and if PEDs start flying from pockets be it people or plane, then they are the least of our worries in the circumstance.