Are you Going to use the COVIDsafe App?

[serfty]

I did research this a fair bit and I decided I was happy to:

Privacy Policy

The COVIDSafe app speeds up contacting people exposed to coronavirus (COVID-19). This helps us support and protect you, your friends and family. Please read the content on this page before downloading.

www.health.gov.au

 

[RooFlyer]

i think the radio is diverging from the TV audience.

I stopped watching much of the ABC 'news' type programs a while ago . They've just lost me for the morning radio too; no matter, I can get down to my studies with fewer distractions.

Many of the 'I'm not downloading the app' types in the media I think are simply burnishing their 'Hey, look at me, I'm defying this government' credentials, while on the government payroll.

Good to see corporations coming out in support - the CBA the other day, and I just got an e-mail from the Royal Automobile Club of Tasmania supporting the app's usage.

 

[tomlee1986]

I stopped watching much of the ABC 'news' type programs a while ago . They've just lost me for the morning radio too; no matter, I can get down to my studies with fewer distractions.

Many of the 'I'm not downloading the app' types in the media I think are simply burnishing their 'Hey, look at me, I'm defying this government' credentials, while on the government payroll.

Good to see corporations coming out in support - the CBA the other day, and I just got an e-mail from the Royal Automobile Club of Tasmania supporting the app's usage.

I totally agree with you that some people will use this to rebel against the government just an act of defiance... but for some others... it is because of their past history in dealing with governments either here in Australia or overseas will lead to a response of not using the app no matter how it will benefit the society in general

 

[Pushka]

I stopped watching much of the ABC 'news' type programs a while ago . They've just lost me for the morning radio too; no matter, I can get down to my studies with fewer distractions.

Many of the 'I'm not downloading the app' types in the media I think are simply burnishing their 'Hey, look at me, I'm defying this government' credentials, while on the government payroll.

Good to see corporations coming out in support - the CBA the other day, and I just got an e-mail from the Royal Automobile Club of Tasmania supporting the app's usage.

We were pleasantly surprised. Even Lara didn't seem quite as displeased as normal. Which made me wonder if they will claim kudos for Australia if we continue with this trajectory.

 

[GoldCanyon340]

it is because of their past history in dealing with governments either here in Australia or overseas will lead to a response of not using the app no matter how it will benefit the society in general

I agree and for people to start behaviour shaming is disrespectful.

 

[Pushka]

I agree and for other people to start behaviour shaming is disrespectful.

I'd like to understand motivations. I understand why tomcut2000 isn't going to download. Similarly people who have escaped other regimes. Privacy issues? I'd like to know what those concerns are so they can be addressed. From my experience in using it, the only thing that can get it latched to is my mobile phone because name, postcode and age group can be fudged.

 

[OATEK]

I agree and for other people to start behaviour shaming is disrespectful.

Well its good that people have been trying to debate rather than shame then. We live in a liberal democracy, where the underlying tension is between the notion of the greatest good for the greatest number, and the right of the individual. This is playing out here, with the majority (based on the survey above) seemingly committed to the greatest good argument, while some are determined that their individual rights are more important. The debate around those issues goes back a long way (eg Bentham, Mill, Green etc ). Its is healthy to debate these issues, but as soon as we allege something is shaming were are in danger of putting emotions ahead of clear thought.

 

[DC3]

... I've received spam cougho messages from randoms in Russia who likely know more about me than that. Where did they come from? Internet providers? Phone number lists?

Or, due to cookies from dubious sites that your computer has visited?

 

[tomlee1986]

Well its good that people have been trying to debate rather than shame then. We live in a liberal democracy, where the underlying tension is between the notion of the greatest good for the greatest number, and the right of the individual. This is playing out here, with the majority (based on the survey above) seemingly committed to the greatest good argument, while some are determined that their individual rights are more important. The debate around those issues goes back a long way (eg Bentham, Mill, Green etc ). Its is healthy to debate these issues, but as soon as we allege something is shaming were are in danger of putting emotions ahead of clear thought.

I agree with you the public good should always be the first priority... but in this instance... there should be also some consideration to those people who hold genuine concerns on the use of this app such as privacy concerns especially those who do not trust governments much or their past history that lead to this fear... that’s why Morrison made this voluntary

 

[DC3]

I agree and for people to start behaviour shaming is disrespectful.

On AFF, the Ignore button is your friend.

 

[tomlee1986]

Luckily I don’t have to use it yet

On AFF, the Ignore button is your friend.

 

[pjm99au]

When all is said and done I can live with any privacy concerns if it means that I limit the amount of other people I might infect if I became infected. It would be hard to deal with if I caused anyone to become sick or worse and I could have prevented it.

It seems to me now is the time to put everyone’s needs ahead of our own.

 

[tomlee1986]

When all is said and done I can live with any privacy concerns if it means that I limit the amount of other people I might infect if I became infected. It would be hard to deal with if I caused anyone to become sick or worse and I could have prevented it.

It seems to me now is the time to put everyone’s needs ahead of our own.

In theory it is good the public good is more important than personal benefit, but we should also cater for those that do have a well grounded belief this app is not trust worthy for privacy concerns to those people that have such concerns?

 

[RooFlyer]

This is delicious (from the Oz, paywalled):

A tweet from Australian greens leader, Adam Bandt:

When the government doesn’t want to tell you something there’s usually a reason,” Bandt tweeted on Friday. “Today we’ve found out that the app’s tracking data will be kept by a US company [Amazon technologies Inc]. If there’s one person I trust less to keep our personal data safe than Peter Dutton, it’s Donald Trump.”

*

* note: there is NO 'tracking data'; Bandt should, or does, know this. The Department of Home Affairs’ contract with Amazon strictly specifies that all data will be kept in Australia. And new laws making it a criminal offence for the information to be sent offshore (with a penalty of five years behind bars and a fine of up to $63,000) will be put to parliament.

Continuing from the Oz:

Greens deputy Nick McKim also won’t be downloading the app, calling it “a grave privacy risk” that “must be stopped”.

but then ...

When Strewth ran a quick hostingchecker.com search, we discovered that greens.org.au is hosted by none other than (drum roll, please) Amazon Technologies Inc.

 

[tomlee1986]

Amazon technologies is Amazon Web Services (if my memory serves me right)

 

[RooFlyer]

but we should also cater for those that do have a well grounded belief this app is not trust worthy for privacy concerns to those people that have such concerns?

Certainly, but the key words are 'well founded belief'. Much of the opposition I've heard and read is based on un-founded worries, such that the app tracks people; that variously-named 'Princes of Darkness' will feast on the data; that the data will be put onto government servers etc etc etc.

 

[GoldCanyon340]

Its is healthy to debate these issues, but as soon as we allege something is shaming were are in danger of putting emotions ahead of clear thought.

Talking in general terms here..

If an individual who has installed the app calls someone who has not installed the app 'selfish' then isn't the former bringing emotion into it before an allegation of shaming can be made in reverse? The former does not know why the latter has not installed the app

 

[Colin 2905]

Unfortunately it doesn’t detect this sort of behaviour. And they would have something to hide. Need to rely on them (unwittingly) exposing themselves :

NRL players fined $1,000 for camping trip amid coronavirus lockdown

NRL players Latrell Mitchell and Josh Addo-Carr have been fined $1,000 each for breaching the state's coronavirus distancing lockdown during a weekend away, as the NRL describes the getaway as "unacceptable".

www.abc.net.au

Edited

Could be an opportunity for @harvyk to develop a DickheadSafe app??

 

[tomlee1986]

Could be an opportunity for @harvyk to develop a DickheadSafe app??

Unfortunately no matter what apps government issues... nothing would stop some people doing idiotic things...

 

[OATEK]

Talking in general terms here..

If an individual who has installed the app calls someone who has not installed the app 'selfish' then isn't the former bringing emotion into it before an allegation of shaming can be made in reverse? The former does not know why the latter has not installed the app

Is it shaming though, or just an emotional response. Plenty of emotion to go around at the moment, but as always YMMV.

 

[theblank]

This is delicious (from the Oz, paywalled):

A tweet from Australian greens leader, Adam Bandt:

I would expect nothing less from the AU Communist Party leader.