Article: Latest Changes May Not Fix Qantas’ Reward Availability Problem

He stated there were lots of business owners who had a significant stash of points that they accrued during Covid and CP+ was good for them
That's 100% correct. However, the crucial part missing from this answer is that they've basically stopped releasing classic awards on large number of routes/cabins, so they've essentially hung out to dry the other 99% of their membership base.

Also, smart business owners should be accumulating points in a flexible currency so they are not stuck with Qantas' terrible classic plus redemption rates.
 
KF points are much harder to acquire

Pretty much the case with any carrier's program apart from QFF and VFF.

Using my 2 current CCs (NAB rewards and ANZ rewards) as an example:
2 NAB or ANZ reward points = 1 VFF point

If I wanted to transfer Asiamiles or KF, that ratio goes down from 2:1 to 3:1. It's poor value.

Unfortunately the majority of us are stuck with VFF or QFF. I'm not prepared to go to the lengths of getting a U.S. AMEX or similar.
 
However, the crucial part missing from this answer is that they've basically stopped releasing classic awards on large number of routes/cabins, so they've essentially hung out to dry the other 99% of their membership base.
The previous 11am 353 days in advance only advantaged a very select group of frequent flyers. Increasingly that group was points hackers displaying inherently disloyal behaviours. They may be a different "1%" of the frequent flyer base, but that was still to the disadvantage of the remaining 98%. The sporadic release patterns actually increase the likelihood of the broader membership base acquiring CR seats.

I would posit that QFF would be very happy if the points hacker segment decided that QFF is no longer the program for them.
 
They may be a different "1%" of the frequent flyer base, but that was still to the disadvantage of the remaining 98%. The sporadic release patterns actually increase the likelihood of the broader membership base acquiring CR seats.

I would posit that QFF would be very happy if the points hacker segment decided that QFF is no longer the program for them.
Gold/Platinum/P1 (ie those able to take advantage of T-353) represent far more than 1% of frequent flyers.

There hasn't been a sporadic release on many routes since the introduction of C+. (There are private bots that monitor and collate data on this.)
 
From the article:

"Previously, Gold and Platinum frequent flyers could log in to the Qantas website at 11am, 353 days before departure, and snap up those sought-after Business reward seats on long-haul international flights as soon as they were released. But Qantas no longer releases premium cabin reward seats this far ahead on its most popular routes.

Instead, Qantas is now releasing award availability in batches, and much closer to the departure date. Rather than releasing a set number of seats on each flight as soon as it goes on sale, Qantas’ revenue managers now manage the release schedule on a route-by-route basis."


No wonder I can't find any classic reward QF seats from MEL to SIN (except via QF1 / SYD) for October. Only JQ CR reward seats are coming up.

I can however, find Classic+ reward seats and the amount of points is actually okay (31k compared to a regular CR at 25.2k).

Still though, 6k points is valuable and even moreso when the changes come through later this year when things will go through the roof.
Up thread I mentioned that I saw CRs for a flight SIN-SYD in June, just 5 months away. Yes, they are in Y, but the flight showed X9 in EF, This seems to point towards seats being released on a more ad-hoc basis, as when I was originally booking for a flight SIN-SYD on that same date it was X0.
That's 100% correct. However, the crucial part missing from this answer is that they've basically stopped releasing classic awards on large number of routes/cabins, so they've essentially hung out to dry the other 99% of their membership base.

Also, smart business owners should be accumulating points in a flexible currency so they are not stuck with Qantas' terrible classic plus redemption rates.
I think your statement that they've basically stopped releasing classic awards on large number of routes/cabins needs to be expanded to say on the usual 353 days out.
 
Gold/Platinum/P1 (ie those able to take advantage of T-353) represent far more than 1% of frequent flyers.
But those that actively and repeatedly do hit at T-353 are a small sub-segment of those ABLE to. There's plenty of SG/WP/WWP1 that, for a variety of reasons, don't have the flexibility to manage their travel to allow this. In fact, typically the more valuable customers are often the ones with the LEAST flexibility, so this behaviour locks them out in favour of lower value, but equally higher tier customers.

There hasn't been a sporadic release on many routes since the introduction of C+. (There are private bots that monitor and collate data on this.)
On SOME routes and in SOME cabins I'm sure that is true. Yield management doing its job. No reason redemption seats shouldn't be subjected to the same pricing/availability fluctuations that paid seats are.
 
But those that actively and repeatedly do hit at T-353 are a small sub-segment of those ABLE to. There's plenty of SG/WP/WWP1 that, for a variety of reasons, don't have the flexibility to manage their travel to allow this. In fact, typically the more valuable customers are often the ones with the LEAST flexibility, so this behaviour locks them out in favour of lower value, but equally higher tier customers.

On SOME routes and in SOME cabins I'm sure that is true. Yield management doing its job. No reason redemption seats shouldn't be subjected to the same pricing/availability fluctuations that paid seats are.
The current state of affairs ensures neither sub-segment is able to acquire classic reward seats with any reliability.

As I've mentioned upthread, the objective of these changes is to bring about a state of affairs where the lack of classic availability no longer matters by collapsing the value gap between classic and classic plus. Once that gap closes, the lack of availability will no longer matter because there is ample availability for classic plus.
 
The current state of affairs ensures neither sub-segment is able to acquire classic reward seats with any reliability.

As I've mentioned upthread, the objective of these changes is to bring about a state of affairs where the lack of classic availability no longer matters by collapsing the value gap between classic and classic plus. Once that gap closes, the lack of availability will no longer matter because there is ample availability for classic plus.
Ive noticed the first criteria is route - some routes will see awards appear but some won't even for I booking class (so that you can request as WP) or there's initial blackout dates. I believe madrooster gave examples of some blackout routes and dates in other threads like the WP release one.

Another example is SYD - HND routes. There's definitely blackouts for both release and CR but at some point if the load and yields aren't right, we see a release or a whole bunch being made available for WP release. This feels more route specific and yield/load specific so there is probably some algorithm determining it. One flight i was monitoring had YH only for booking in Economy then suddenly 2 weeks before the flight X9 appeared.

On the routes that are still being released you see them pop up about 10months out. For example I was monitoring syd/mel - HKG and had nothing for the first month they were loaded (not even I) but then suddenly all of the CR got loaded for the whole month of Nov 2025. (Sometimes mid Dec 2024).

If i were to hazard a guess, HKG routes, CGK routes and MNL routes are likely the ones that have "regular" releases. US , SIN (Eu) and JP are likely fairly revenue controlled.
 
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The mistake people make is thinking Qantas wants to fix the availability problem. No, they don't, they just want a bit of positive marketing spin to keep them going until the next "enhancement" (TM).
 
I am 33 year member with 4 million points between me and the Mrs and no where to go!
Therein lies the problem QF are trying to address.

There's plenty of places to go...if you're prepared to redeem for CR+ seats.

I asked up-thread about QFF alternatives (VFF?) but you've raised an interesting option. I have waaaaay less than 1 million points so I'm generally on the lookout for that J/F unicorn to Europe (ideally LHR) or other long haul in J (often to HND as I love skiing!). And I only churn maybe 1 credit card a year so I'm not a seasoned and fanatical points earner. However...if I were to launch with gusto into QFF points earning and accumulate many more points then I may be more amenable into redeeming for CR+.
If I had 4mill points, I don't think I'd care too much if I the only seats I could find are CR+. I know that with another churn or two I can recoup those points.
 
The previous 11am 353 days in advance only advantaged a very select group of frequent flyers.
Huh? I'm a lowly bronze but relied on the T-353 rule to snare my SYD to LHR (albeit back then in whY) when released so I could lock in dates and plan ahead with work etc. Maybe I'm part of that very select cohort who like to plan ahead? I was just wanting to get in before they were all gobbled up and lock it in.

I think your statement that they've basically stopped releasing classic awards on large number of routes/cabins needs to be expanded to say on the usual 353 days out.
Agreed, but maybe change usual to previous. Those CR releases still happen (maybe) but who knows when? And if? Now it's pot luck unless you sign up to an alerting mechanism who does the release monitoring for you.
 
The current state of affairs ensures neither sub-segment is able to acquire classic reward seats with any reliability.
Only on some routes and in some cabins where yield management dictates. Seems like a perfectly rational business decision to me.

But the "1% business owner segment" is likely to have a greater propensity to want to use CR+. In comparison, the "1% disloyal points hackers" segment is more likely to exercise their disloyalty and move away, thus reducing their disproportionate accumulation of reward seats. Seems win/win for both QFF and the customers it appears it is most wanting to reward.
As I've mentioned upthread, the objective of these changes is to bring about a state of affairs where the lack of classic availability no longer matters by collapsing the value gap between classic and classic plus. Once that gap closes, the lack of availability will no longer matter because there is ample availability for classic plus.
Kind of. I think there will continue to be plentiful CR availability where yield management dictates. I think the days of severely underpriced (read Classic Rewards), premium cabin, premium destination redemption seats are over. And, as I posited earlier, this will disproportionately impact disloyal customers more than loyal ones.
 
Huh? I'm a lowly bronze but relied on the T-353 rule to snare my SYD to LHR (albeit back then in whY) when released so I could lock in dates and plan ahead with work etc. Maybe I'm part of that very select cohort who like to plan ahead? I was just wanting to get in before they were all gobbled up and lock it in.
Bronze don't get to see premium classes at 353 for QF only Y. Only Gold+ can even see them.

You do however have access to other partners like JL, CX, MH, CI around that time frame.

Agreed, but maybe change usual to previous. Those CR releases still happen (maybe) but who knows when? And if? Now it's pot luck unless you sign up to an alerting mechanism who does the release monitoring for you.
I want to point out that even if qantas hasn't done things you really do need an alert monitor on in today's environment. Theres private and public groups everywhere posting releases with bots scouring everything.

What was effectively only one service precovid, now theres at least half a dozen if not more for seat alerts - both free and paid.
 
I have a reward booking HBA-SYD booked mid 2024. At that time only Jetsar were flying on a Sunday, so I had to accept that.
Yesterday I see that not only are QF flying Sunday, they are doing it with an A220 and the icing was there were reward seats in J on the first flight of the day.
Perfect.
So called Fiji to be told these seats were only available for new bookings not existing. But they could place me on the last flight which arrived well after QF1 had soared skyward.

QF are fast becoming my least-desirable business to deal with.
 
So called Fiji to be told these seats were only available for new bookings not existing.

Wow, Qantas are still claiming this BS (seats showing online are only for new bookings / can't be used towards existing bookings)?

I went through this about 1.5 years ago when I had a business OWA - I posted my extensive experience on it in the Oneworld Award thread.

It was an incredible source of frustration. So glad that that trip is booked / done and dusted. I think it'll be near impossible moving forward to get a business OWA given the lack of reward seats and random releases of seats.
 
Only on some routes and in some cabins where yield management dictates. Seems like a perfectly rational business decision to me.

But the "1% business owner segment" is likely to have a greater propensity to want to use CR+. In comparison, the "1% disloyal points hackers" segment is more likely to exercise their disloyalty and move away, thus reducing their disproportionate accumulation of reward seats. Seems win/win for both QFF and the customers it appears it is most wanting to reward.
Discarding the points chasers also means discarding a significant amount of revenue because they earn so many points. Take your semi-dedicated points chaser who churns 2-3 cards per year, shops at WW & through Qantas Wine, signs up for a white label insurance policy & directs their flight spend to Qantas. They earn ~500K points per year. A mere 25,000 members in this cohort (0.15% of the membership base) account for half of all YOY points growth in FY24.

It remains to be seen if the prospect of 700K return J tickets to Europe convinces a business owner to spend an extra $500K/year on their credit card to make up for each points chaser Qantas loses.

My guess is Qantas' future looks very European. Where does an airline loyalty program go when its domestic market stagnates either due to their own incompetence or because the government pulls the rug out from underneath them by capping interchange fees? The United States.

Air France/KLM, BA/Iberia, Virgin Atlantic, etc have all turned to the US for points program growth in the past decade. They now regularly offer their points at heavily discounted prices (20-50% transfer bonuses) to try to convince US consumers to transfer their bank points to them.

If that's where Qantas ends up turning in the pursuit of program growth (Qantas' first-ever transfer bonus to Capital One customers in late 2024 was an early warning sign), it'll end up with an even more disloyal set of customers. There's no one more fickle than the US credit card customer with points that can be transferred to 20+ programs.
 
Discarding the points chasers also means discarding a significant amount of revenue because they earn so many points. Take your semi-dedicated points chaser who churns 2-3 cards per year, shops at WW & through Qantas Wine, signs up for a white label insurance policy & directs their flight spend to Qantas. They earn ~500K points per year. A mere 25,000 members in this cohort (0.15% of the membership base) account for half of all YOY points growth in FY24.

It remains to be seen if the prospect of 700K return J tickets to Europe convinces a business owner to spend an extra $500K/year on their credit card to make up for each points chaser Qantas loses.
This is a strawman. The correct comparison is not between your theoretical points chaser and the business owner whacking spend on their card. My expectation is that QFF don't actually care just how many CR+ redemptions they make. It's between the profit QFF makes selling that seat as a revenue seat versus the accumulated profit of the points chaser who is only seeking outsized rewards (bearing in mind that not all points chasers seek outsized rewards - some are highly, highly valuable to a rewards program).

I don't know the ins and outs of QFFs financials, but based on my experience with other programs and what constitutes profitable behaviour and unprofitable behaviour, Qantas is, in my opinion, acting entirely rationally here.

If that's where Qantas ends up turning in the pursuit of program growth (Qantas' first-ever transfer bonus to Capital One customers in late 2024 was an early warning sign), it'll end up with an even more disloyal set of customers. There's no one more fickle than the US credit card customer with points that can be transferred to 20+ programs.
I don't think this is incompatible with a rational strategy at all. QFFs home market bias should mean there's a higher loyalty threshold in Australia than other markets. It's perfectly normal for your 'best' customers to pay a much higher loyalty tax. There's nothing irrational about moving the bar higher for your existing customers, whilst lowering the bar for new customers in unsaturated markets. The idea that everyone is treated the same, or even the idea that you'll be treated better, rather than worse, once you reach a higher threshold (tier, Customer Lifetime Value, whatever...) isn't borne out by the reality of loyalty programs.

As an example, that's why someone on this forum yesterday found J availability from BKK to JNB via SYD, but couldn't get QFF to release the same flight for just SYD to JNB.

Is this exploitative? Probably.
Does it meet the community expectation of "loyal behaviour" from QFF? Absolutely not.
Does it meet the industry norms of "loyalty"? Without a doubt.
Do you have a choice not to engage? Absolutely!
What are the overwhelming majority going to do? Remains to be seen but I can hazard a guess...
 
This is a strawman. My expectation is that QFF don't actually care just how many CR+ redemptions they make.
Qantas Loyalty absolutely care about how many points they sell (ie their revenue). That's what I said. I made no claim about the number of CR+ redemptions. Talk about a strawman.

I don't think this is incompatible with a rational strategy at all.
Who are you arguing with? It's hard to tell. Who said it was irrational? Who said it wasn't exploitative? etc etc

Your claim was that this change 'will disproportionately impact disloyal customers more than loyal ones'. If it ends up replacing the current disloyal customers with a set of even more disloyal customers with even bigger points balances to throw around, the current loyal customer is the biggest loser. The current points chasers will move on to other pursuits — as you say, the whole point is they weren't that attached in the first place. The current loyal customers who find themselves outbid at every turn by the American points broker and American points whale are going to be hurt the most.
 
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