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Does anyone know how long it takes to change an engine ? Is it a matter of undoing the wing attachments or is it a complicated procedure ?

I think it's about 3-4 hours for the actual change, and then it has to be test run for a while. So you'd probably have it all done in about 5 hours. Very often with engineering jobs, it's not the actual job that takes the time, but the troubleshooting that leads precedes the work. For instance, in the case of a smell, it might be quite a fault chain that you'd need to follow before reaching an engine as the cause...and then you'd have to work out which one.

I'll ask the engineers when I leave Singapore for the exact answer.
 
Hey JB, first up, you're a legend.
Secondly I've often wondered why the rudder is not straight on a lot of planes parked at the gate. I've noticed this on a couple of occasions when transiting and been meaning to post the question.

The rudder isn't held straight by anything other than the hydraulics, and they're normally not pressurised at the gate. So, whilst there is a lot of damping force involved, I think the ultimate rudder position is decided by the angle of the tail relative to any wind.
 
I think this question has been asked previously but its been in my head following EK's recent engine issue.

Let's say an A380 lost power to two engines simultaneously on the same wing. In the following hypothetical instances, would the plane end up OK, maybe OK, or catastrophic if the loss happened 1) during the roll for take off, 2) after take off into the climb between 0ft - 5000ft, 3) during cruise 4) during approach for landing?
 
I think this question has been asked previously but its been in my head following EK's recent engine issue.

Let's say an A380 lost power to two engines simultaneously on the same wing. In the following hypothetical instances, would the plane end up OK, maybe OK, or catastrophic if the loss happened 1) during the roll for take off, 2) after take off into the climb between 0ft - 5000ft, 3) during cruise 4) during approach for landing?

Nothing in aviation is cut and dried, and even simple questions are akin to asking the length of a piece of string.

So, starting with the simplest case, the double engine failure on approach. You'd expect to be able to land safely off that, though it might not be the tidiest landing you'd ever done. Prior to 1,000 feet, it should be a non event (!) as you'd have plenty of time and power to go around and set it up.

During the take off roll. Prior to V1, you'd be able to stop. After V1, you'd have to abort but would almost certainly overrun the end of the runway. The results would then depend upon just what the overrun looked like. At a light enough weight, it would fly, but we never fly at those weights.

Airborne...I'll make the assumption that there is no high terrain in the vicinity, as that can change everything. Below max landing weight, you should be able to fly away, though at the heavier end it won't be all that pretty, and any obstacle will be an issue. As the weight becomes greater, you'll have to trade off some height in order to get the acceleration that you need to get the flaps retracted. Unless you can accelerate to min drag clean, it will not climb. You'll need somebody (SO) to quickly start the fuel dump, as every little bit will help. At max weight, if the double failure happens at 1,000 feet, and you have the room to descend for a couple of minutes (as you don't in places like HK) then you may be able to fly away. If the failures happen after flap retraction it should not be an issue.

We don't practice cases that you can't fix, but the last sim cycle included a double failure at 1,000 feet.
 
Thanks for the response jb747. I understand nothing is ever cut and dried but at least now I have some more reassurance (yes I am a nervous'ish flyer) that the probability is still way in favour of a safe outcome in almost all incidences.
 
When climbing or descending what are the highest angles that can be achieved before great discomfort would be felt for the passengers? In other posts you have mentioned that about 3 degrees is the normal decent rate this "sounds" low although there is a difference between slowly coming to the airport and dropping like a stone.
 
When climbing or descending what are the highest angles that can be achieved before great discomfort would be felt for the passengers? In other posts you have mentioned that about 3 degrees is the normal decent rate this "sounds" low although there is a difference between slowly coming to the airport and dropping like a stone.

Pitch attitudes are never large, except for just after take off. In the case of the 767, at light weights, on a domestic sector, the initial pitch attitude after take off can be has high as 25 degrees. But, once clean up altitude is reached, the attitude is reduced to about 5 degrees to accelerate, and then back to about 10 for the climb. Eventually, as you reach the cruising altitude the attitude will have reduced to about 4 degrees. In level cruising flight the pitch is about 3 degrees nose up.

In the case of the A380, the initial attitude after take off is normally about 12 degrees. It's reduced to 10 for the gear retraction (the open doors create a lot of drag), and then back to 12 until we reach clean up height. After the flaps are retracted, pitch will be about 7 degrees, and will again reduce to about 4 as we approach cruising altitude. Pitch in the cruise is about 2.5 degrees nose up. At very light weights, the sort of thing you see on empty short range ferry flights, the initial pitch could be up to another 10 degrees higher.

These attitudes often feel much steeper though, because they are associated with large amounts of power, and often rapid accelerations. These lead us to one of the inner ear illusions, in which an acceleration will give rise to a strong pitch up feeling. Pilots are taught to ignore these illusions when they undergo initial instrument training (in fact, if they can't, then they won't progress any further), but of course the passengers feel them every day.

Descents are also quite gentle. A normal descent from altitude will have initial pitch attitudes of around zero degrees. If the speed brakes are used to increase the rate of descent, the pitch will go down to about minus 3 degrees. Transient attitudes of less than that might be used, but not as a matter of course, and unlikely to go below minus 7 degrees. In the case of QF30, we wanted down as soon as we could, nevertheless the peak attitude was in the region of minus 3 degrees.

About the steepest stable attitude I could give you would be around minus 10 degrees, and to do that I'd need landing gear down, full speed brake, and speed near the gear max. Very uncomfortable and never used in day to day ops.

The 3 degree figure you mention in your post most likely refers to the glideslope angle. It represents the actual descent angle achieved by the aircraft, but the pitch attitude to fly it will be around 2-3 degrees nose up (in 767/747/380).

One of the criticisms that's often thrown at Airbus is that the flight control system will interfere, and not allow pilots to fly to the attitudes that they want. The reality is that whilst it does limit attitudes, the point at which it does so is well outside any attitude that you might reasonably need to select.
 
Hi JB.
Did you ever fly the 747 with the 5th engine attached? If so did it make much difference to handling characteristics or fuel burn?
 
Hi jb,

Can you please explain "Brake to Vacate" and does the A380 have this feature?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Hi JB.
Did you ever fly the 747 with the 5th engine attached? If so did it make much difference to handling characteristics or fuel burn?

I flew it a couple of times. There was an appreciable amount of drag, so it had the effect of reducing all of the performance parameters. Speed limits were reduced. If I recall correctly, we used to preset a certain amount of roll trim prior to take off. Fuel burn was up by 10% or so. Not something you could do on a long range sector.

Having said that, it was a reasonably straightforward process, and it didn't require any particular training...just a read of the manual on the subject before the flight.
 
Can you please explain "Brake to Vacate" and does the A380 have this feature?

Someone has already posted a reference to what it is. Our 380s don't have it. It's an optional fit, though I don't think it was actually available when we ordered.
 
JB,

With the A380 going to start flying in and out of PER what changes will need to be made and what differences will happen for the airport when an A380 is landing and also taking off due to it's size.

I know they will have to update there safety level for firefighting.
 
Can I ask a general question... I googled but nothing. Why are there no windows upstairs on the A380 where the stairs are? It's kind of wasted space (QF puts that lounge there). I would have thought there was room for 2xF suites (one each side). Too much cabling or something going through there?
 
JB,

With the A380 going to start flying in and out of PER what changes will need to be made and what differences will happen for the airport when an A380 is landing and also taking off due to it's size.

I know they will have to update there safety level for firefighting.

I expect much of the airport will have been resurveyed to ensure that all obstructions are outside of the limits. Obstructions are either moved or the access limited/denied. Clearance lines will have to be redrawn. Clearance issues will have been looked at not only with fixtures, but also any other aircraft that could be operating. For instance, I'm taking another aircraft to Manila in a few days...when we are on the runway, NO other aircraft can be on any adjacent taxiway (and we also block the runway, if we are on an adjacent taxiway)...we have to plan for that, and it effectively closes the airport.

ATC in Perth will not be familiar with the aircraft, and that will cause its own issues. For them, it takes a long time for the aircraft to move whenever they give a clearance, and other aircraft have to be kept a long way clear. They normally deal with aircraft that react fairly quickly, whereas the 380, on the ground, is like dealing with a block of flats.

At airports that have CAT II/III ILS, a survey of the effects of the 380 on the beam quality has to happen. In London, the outcome was that only ONE 380 can be moving on the entire south side of the airport if 27L/09R is conducting low vis operations. I haven't been to Perth in ages, but I expect that it still has coughpy aids, so I guess that won't apply.
 
Can I ask a general question... I googled but nothing. Why are there no windows upstairs on the A380 where the stairs are? It's kind of wasted space (QF puts that lounge there). I would have thought there was room for 2xF suites (one each side). Too much cabling or something going through there?

I don't think it would make much of a suite, as access would be quite restricted....and it's on the wrong deck anyway. The left side is used as service area, and it has the CSM's workstation...which is where the controls for much of the cabin reside. That leaves the right side, and a small lounge is about all that could be used for. Access forward has to be reasonably clear, as there is a main electronics bay there. Anyway, where else would I hold my parties.....
 
I'm taking another aircraft to Manila in a few days....

Hi JB,

Can you say/disclose which letter your taking up? I flew home on D last week from LAX, it was my first time on the new config so I took a good look around on the flight home, helps break some of the time.

Also, not sure if you would know or be able to ask, (again happy if you can't answer), any reason they are not putting the wifi/Internet on the first 6 aircraft during the refit process?

Thanks again for the time and effort you put in here, very much appreciated :)
 
Hi JB - as always loving this thread and awed by your time commitment to keep it going (and not lose patience with all our questions!)

Are you now a "Manila expert" - you seem (given the number of aircraft in the fleet to be refitted vs number of captains) to have had a few trips to MNL transferring the 380 for refitting.

- Do you transit home on a commercial flight or is there an a/c waiting for you to bring back (that's been done already)?
- Did you bid for these or was it allocated on reserve days or the like?
- Do you enjoy it being a bit "unusual" in the current rotas? Or is it "just another flight"?
- Does someone in flight ops have a sense of humour to keep allocating you to MNL flights? ;-)
 
Can you say/disclose which letter your taking up? I flew home on D last week from LAX, it was my first time on the new config so I took a good look around on the flight home, helps break some of the time.
India I think, though I haven't actually taken much notice of the registration. The actual aircraft makes no difference to us when looking at a flight. I was much more interested in the routing, and the various overflight clearances that are necessary, and which I could conceivably be asked about during the flight. This sort of stuff is handled very capably by our navigation section, but I still need my head around anything that's out of the ordinary. The sector is Frankfurt-Manila.

Also, not sure if you would know or be able to ask, (again happy if you can't answer), any reason they are not putting the wifi/Internet on the first 6 aircraft during the refit process?

No idea. I wasn't aware that was the case.
 

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