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In the 380 not outright, as the FWB would adjust for it. But, it would show up as increased fuel burn due to the control deflection. In the jumbo you would notice it, basically as a lateral 'out of trim'. Same deal with the fuel burn once you'd trimmed it out.

But, if the passengers were moved to the wrong spots fore and aft, it could conceivably take the aircraft beyond the trim limits. Especially the 380, which tends to operate with fairly aft trim anyway (doing so is more fuel efficient, but it makes the aircraft more twitchy).

Further to this question when you are 'In the cruise" and people start moving around the cabin,going to the toilet etc does it affect the aircraft trim at all and if so how is it handled?
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N'oz
 
Further to this question when you are 'In the cruise" and people start moving around the cabin,going to the toilet etc does it affect the aircraft trim at all and if so how is it handled?

Well, if a hundred started running up and down, we'd probably notice, but the few people moving around have no noticeable effect.
 
was concorde having a slow day? :)

I suspect he's talking about something with roundels.

1.5 sounds like the sort of number you'd get in a Mirage or F18.

I thought it must have been, but Harvyk's question was about passenger aircraft. The only one I could think of for mach1.5+ would be concorde going slow... :)
It was a Mirage and I was very much a passenger.

The help was on commercial ops and full of passengers.
 
Who would win in a dogfight - a A380 or 747-400? - assuming each had some type of machine gun mounted on it.

Now there's a game I hadn't considered....

A380 is limited in bank and pitch (and g) by the computer systems, whereas the 747 isn't. But, the 380 might be able to get to the 2.5 g limit at a lower speed (of course the 747 pilot could simply ignore that limit). So if you could convert it to a turning low speed fight the advantage might shift...though most fights are in the vertical, and only losers do level turns.

As an aside...what if you put an AWACS style radar onto one of them, and rotary launchers for Phoenix and AAMRAM.....could you then replace the fighter force with a half dozen of them?
 
I can't find my grainy photo of the speedo to check the speed of the Concorde on that flight.

15 Aug 2002 BA1 LHR/JFK. My 35th birthday present to myself (my one and only AONE4 with Concorde supplement). Ah the memories flood back...

Was I going that fast?

And yes, Lindsay has been a passenger on Concorde, so I suspect he was meaning more like Mach 2 or thereabouts.
 
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JB's television debut. He appears around 2:18 into the video.

Dunno why he didn't have Karl keelhauled for that "joke" of his...

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I swear I have seen Karl Stefanovic before, oh yes that's right when he played himself in that space trilogy from years ago.

I personally cannot tell them apart, you be the judge.

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How come you were in the 744 at that speed? Wouldn't fuel usage be absolutely horrendous?

Fuel use....max continuous thrust in level flight. Yep, it was terrible, but it was better than the alternative. A long time ago now, when I was an FO on the 744. The aircraft max speed is .92, but since the advent of RVSM, everyone has been restricted to .90 mach (which isn't a number many would ever see anyway).

There were a couple of air routes that converged over Ankara in Turkey. It was my habit to listen in on the frequency used by the traffic on the other route, as they would eventually merge with your airway, and in those days the steps were 4000 feet apart....that had the effect of dramatically limiting the traffic that could be handled after the merge. ATC in Ankara would send people up or down as appropriate to make them fit, and if there were enough aircraft, then people would be pulled off the airway entirely, and sent to very low altitudes. But, the way they worked it was a bit different to most ATC units. Instead of juggling the entire stack of aircraft, they would simply REMOVE the offending one...so you could go from being in the high 30s, to the low 20s, or even be pulled off the airway and held. On that particular day, we had an aircraft on the other airway (at the same altitude) with an ETA for Ankara one minute ahead of us, and the lower levels on both airways were already crowded. It was obvious that the quick solution was going to be to pull us off the airway, and send us down to the bottom.

Normally, by working out where the other aircraft were, you could speed up or slow down a bit, to ensure the spacing existed (normally ATC take care of this, but, at this merge, it rarely happened). On this day, slowing wasn't an option. The aircraft that was ahead of us was from an airline that is renowned for not listening out on the radio on the operating frequency, much less a different frequency. So I took the punt that they would have no idea that we existed....in which case if we won the race to Ankara, they'd be sent low, and not me.

Only other time I used .9 in a 747 was just before I left the aircraft. Melbourne ATC were spacing their arrivals, and asked a Thai A340 if he would go a bit faster (I forget the number, but it wasn't fast, perhaps .86)...he said he couldn't and offered something like .83. We were behind him, but jumped in with the offer of .9, so Thai were slowed to about .75, and we got in first.

It's a chess, game...and sometimes quite fun. It is amazing how many airlines have no idea of which aircraft are near them. One mob from just north of here constantly ask for altitudes that are already occupied...
 
I can't find my grainy photo of the speedo to check the speed of the Concorde on that flight.

15 Aug 2002 BA1 LHR/JFK. My 35th birthday present to myself (my one and only AONE4 with Concorde supplement). Ah the memories flood back...

Was I going that fast?

concorde cruising is about Mach 2 and a bit.

My fastest crossing was in 2002 - 3hrs12mins to LHR (almost had to skip the starter :shock:)
 
Thanks for that, interesting. I did once get on a flight out of LAX to SYD and we departed about 15 mins behind another flight to the same destination but arrived into Sydney before it. I was impressed we overtook it but over such a large distance it only needs at small increase in speed to improve the average and go over the top. (midway through there was an announcement we where going to climb a bit higher which I didn't pay much attention to at the time thinking a bit of bumpy air)

Matt
 
concorde cruising is about Mach 2 and a bit.

I've got a video somewhere of an interview with the BA Concorde drivers, and in it one says that they cruised at 1.9, and normally left the power on for a few moments at the end of the flight to make it tick over 2.0....
 
I've got a video somewhere of an interview with the BA Concorde drivers, and in it one says that they cruised at 1.9, and normally left the power on for a few moments at the end of the flight to make it tick over 2.0....

I'll take your word on that :) I know they must also have done this earlier in flight as the frenzy started with people having their photos taken in front of the speed display.
 
Love this thread JB, thank you!

Back on the load sheet, does the aircraft weigh itself on the gear or is it calculated? Do you just estimate the pax component at head count by x kg? That could be 30 tonnes though so not insignificant. I'd be more than x kg too :-(

On a tangent you've spoken about load sheets, check lists, fuel calcs, flight plans etc. In a fictional situation like the 2012 movie where the Earth's crust is disintegrating and the end is coming, could you jump into your 380, firewall the thrust and just take off to save the faithful AFF readers?
 
Back on the load sheet, does the aircraft weigh itself on the gear or is it calculated? Do you just estimate the pax component at head count by x kg? That could be 30 tonnes though so not insignificant.

The aircraft are weighed on delivery and after major services. That weight is probably pretty accurate....at least in percentage terms. Hold luggage and cargo is weighed. Passenger (and cabin) weight is estimated. It's close enough.

On a tangent you've spoken about load sheets, check lists, fuel calcs, flight plans etc. In a fictional situation like the 2012 movie where the Earth's crust is disintegrating and the end is coming, could you jump into your 380, firewall the thrust and just take off to save the faithful AFF readers?
Well, I certainly wouldn't be hanging around waiting for paperwork. We can calculate it on board....and in the case you mention, I doubt that there'd be much cargo or luggage.
 

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