Attn: New QFi CEO.

[Limewood]

I for one would like decent aircraft like a 747 and prices on the SYD/HNL/SYD route, currently its a joke.

 

[docjames]

I for one would like decent aircraft like a 747 and prices on the SYD/HNL/SYD route, currently its a joke.

787 would work perfectly for that route. Oh, wait. :evil:

 

[SeatBackForward]

787 would work perfectly for that route. Oh, wait. :evil:

It might be a silver and orange one?

 

[docjames]

It might be a silver and orange one?

That would be the problem.

 

[Isochronous]

I think the loss of MEL-HKG-LHR is more significant than the QF BKK-LHR connection.

 

[smit0847]

SIN airport has never done it for me, the carpet makes it look like a cheap casino

Thank you!!!

I thought I was the only person who thought this!! I actually much prefer BKK airport to SIN - I love the curved metal design!

 

[mannej]

I for one would like decent aircraft like a 747 and prices on the SYD/HNL/SYD route, currently its a joke.

Could you justify a 747 on that route?

 

[ajw373]

What about QR/DOH instead of EK/DXB, albeit it could get confusing with QF codeshares on QR services. They seem too to have a strong European presence, but unlike EK they don't at the moment have a big number of services to/from Australia that already feed services at their hub.

What about RJ though Amman. RJ are already OneWorld and offer a reasonble service to the middle east, Europe and parts of Africa and will be getting a new terminal in Amman sometime soon.

 

[BobbyFlyer]

Could you justify a 747 on that route?

Given that on some days there are 2 JQ and 1 QF planes on that route, a 747 (even an old unrefurbished one) would be better than the coughpy 767....

 

[dajop]

What about RJ though Amman. RJ are already OneWorld and offer a reasonble service to the middle east, Europe and parts of Africa and will be getting a new terminal in Amman sometime soon.

Trouble with AMM is it is a lot further than DOH, from SYD (another 1000 miles). SYD-AMM is very long, around the distance of SIN-LAX (second longest commercial scheduled flight). Hard to see it being economical on the highly competitive European services.

 

[ajw373]

Trouble with AMM is it is a lot further than DOH, from SYD (another 1000 miles). SYD-AMM is very long, around the distance of SIN-LAX (second longest commercial scheduled flight). Hard to see it being economical on the highly competitive European services.

Wasn't actually suggesting it as a non stop option. Clearly one of the issues that Qantas faces is this perceived issue of being too Sydney centric, but there is no way they could justify flights non stop from anywhere other than Sydney or Melbourne to the middle east non stop. So of course by using an offshore hub such as KL or Sing would allow them to add flights from all the smaller Australian cities, funnel them though the hub, distribute some onto flights to Asia and go onwards to the middle east for code share flights to the RJ network. Of course for larger offshore destinations in Asia or Europe there is no reason Qantas couldn't use their own metal from the hub. So kills many birds with one stone. Gives people more flights out of Australia and gives more destinations that could possibly be served from Australia.

 

[elbarto]

You have to feel sorry for the BAEC members flying out here in F via BKK......going to get quite a shock when they walk on the QF sector!

A cursory look at BA.com would suggest that if you're booking LHR-SYD in F you'll get routed via SIN or HKG.

 

[amaroo]

A cursory look at BA.com would suggest that if you're booking LHR-SYD in F you'll get routed via SIN or HKG.

You'd have to expect some BAEC along with a good few QF members would like to travel to LHR/SYD via BKK! SIN is ok the first few times - after that it's just Asia for beginners & not much more.

Travel LHR-BKK in F and then the coughping dump of an airbus that QF flies BKK-SYD, it doesn't even have a flat bed or a flat bed that is horizontal to the floor

The lure of a casino or two seems to overwhelm everything

 

[Timba-Jet]

Agree with sentiments about QF dropping BKK/HKG-LHR. Now coughpy connections timings to BA via BKK.

However don't get the issues against the A330. Only thing j can think of us no exclusive J upper deck, but what else.

To maximize aircraft utilization what about add on routes like PER-BKK-HKG and make most of 5th freedom rights BKK-HKG.

What about using AY as a codeshare partner into non UK Europe instead of LHR and BA. From SIN/HKG/BKK connect to AY to HEL, opening up fast and efficient connections to PAR/ARN/FCO/PRG etc.

 

[whatmeworry]

I have read some of the previous posts. Perhaps QFi could have some of the smaller planes from the smaller ports PER,ADL,BNE and larger planes from SYD/MEL converge in BKK or HKG and then have A380's that operate between LHR and one of German ports of FRA/HAM/TXL/MUC/DUS. For the flights in Germany/LHR they could try to better utilise their partners for onward flights around continental Europe. Airberlin has just joined OW and I know QFi has codeshares with non OW airlines it could further tap into.

C'mon QFi you got to think a bit creatively...

 

[dajop]

As much as people b#!% and moan about the lack of decent BKK connections service, isn't obvious that BKK origin/destination traffic in premium cabins don't support service via BKK? People flying on QF services are not just flying to Europe, some actually fly to/from Asia as well. That's why SIN works, and HKG surely would as well. But BKK isn't full of bankers like SIN and HKG, which I am sure is important for both Europe (LHR) and Australia (SYD) bound aircraft.

 

[Isochronous]

Agree with sentiments about QF dropping BKK/HKG-LHR. Now coughpy connections timings to BA via BKK.

However don't get the issues against the A330. Only thing j can think of us no exclusive J upper deck, but what else.

To maximize aircraft utilization what about add on routes like PER-BKK-HKG and make most of 5th freedom rights BKK-HKG.

What about using AY as a codeshare partner into non UK Europe instead of LHR and BA. From SIN/HKG/BKK connect to AY to HEL, opening up fast and efficient connections to PAR/ARN/FCO/PRG etc.

I agree - that is a clever way of positing QFi to make the most of the growth of Asia. SIN-HKG is a huge route - only premium carriers flying direct are SQ and CX from memory (I refuse to count the UA 747 as premium - or have they upgraded that considerably?). I'd use it! HKG and SIN are the two most economically important cities in Asia, after all. They could even consider SIN-PVG or SIN-Vietnam perhaps; I'd definitely take QF metal to Vietnam via SIN rather than Vietnam Airlines direct. Come to think of it PER-SIN-CGK isn't a bad idea either.

Also agreed with AY - HEL is better than LHR if you can't have one-stop to Europe.

As much as people b#!% and moan about the lack of decent BKK connections service, isn't obvious that BKK origin/destination traffic in premium cabins don't support service via BKK? People flying on QF services are not just flying to Europe, some actually fly to/from Asia as well. That's why SIN works, and HKG surely would as well. But BKK isn't full of bankers like SIN and HKG, which I am sure is important for both Europe (LHR) and Australia (SYD) bound aircraft.

Very good point - that's why I only complained about HKG-LHR. BKK is more of a leisure destination. That being said for OW, BA and CX already fly a lot on that route, perhaps HKG-another European port would be more apt? Over time it'd make it easier to put A380s on HKG routes more often also.

 

[dajop]

(I refuse to count the UA 747 as premium - or have they upgraded that considerably?)

Upgraded to a 738 and operates at a premium time as well. Departs SIN at 05:15, (am that is), arrrives in SIN at 00:35

I agree - that is a clever way of positing QFi to make the most of the growth of Asia. SIN-HKG is a huge route - only premium carriers flying direct are SQ and CX from memory (I refuse to count the UA 747 as premium - or have they upgraded that considerably?). I'd use it! HKG and SIN are the two most economically important cities in Asia, after all. They could even consider SIN-PVG or SIN-Vietnam perhaps; I'd definitely take QF metal to Vietnam via SIN rather than Vietnam Airlines direct. Come to think of it PER-SIN-CGK isn't a bad idea either..

Flown with A320's and A330's (repainted, but still operated by jetstar!). Interesting thought, I quote from Qantas Worldwide Timetable, effective 26 October 1997:

SIN-BKK .2.4.67 2220/2330 QF5 744
SIN-DPS 1..4..7 2225/0430 QF62 763
SIN-HKG DAILY 1455/1840 QF 77 763
SIN-CGK DAILY 1950/2025 QF42 74L
SIN-KUL ..3.5.7 1955/2055 QF32 763
HKG-BKK 123.5.. 1940/2125 QF85 763
HKG-BKK ...4.67 1940/2125 QF77 763

 

[Isochronous]

Upgraded to a 738 and operates at a premium time as well. Departs SIN at 05:15, (am that is), arrrives in SIN at 00:35:

Upgrad from 744 to 738: You've gotta be joking. No wonder UA is a joke of an airline.

As for 3K - the Qantas Group airline that doesn't allow interlining with QF or OneWorld. I'll take CX over 3K any day. Besides, the rise of the Asian middle class will surely mean more demand for J seating. e.g. in China nobody in the commercial classes is prepared to fly Chinese airline, they all use CX when the option is available. In the same vein they also prefer eating imported food etc.

 

[ajw373]

I have read some of the previous posts. Perhaps QFi could have some of the smaller planes from the smaller ports PER,ADL,BNE and larger planes from SYD/MEL converge in BKK or HKG and then have A380's that operate between LHR and one of German ports of FRA/HAM/TXL/MUC/DUS. For the flights in Germany/LHR they could try to better utilise their partners for onward flights around continental Europe. Airberlin has just joined OW and I know QFi has codeshares with non OW airlines it could further tap into.

C'mon QFi you got to think a bit creatively...

That is kind of what they wanted to do with Qantas Asia, except the flight were to Asia not to Europe. So no lack of creativity there, in fact they got hounded and hounded and hounded by many people on this board.